Ok, Zaino....whats the Deal??? Is it really THAT good?

I know it is supposed to be the bex stuf out there but come on??? Is it really the all mighty?

I keep hearing "Zaino,Zaino,Zaino!!!"

Is it really as good as they say?

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Brian
Aim - Theonlyaragon
1997 Red/w Black top Z28 / A4/3.23's/ T-Top converted
::basic bolt-ons, currently saving $$$ for future projects::

The answer to your question: "YES"

The only way to find out for yourself is to try some and then make a decision. It really does what it says and then some!!!

Try it, you'll like it.

Fred

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My Z:

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I had tried dozens of products for 30 years before I skeptically tried something else called Zaino. Nothing ever lived up to my expectations. I could get a real nice shine but it never lasted and provided about zero protection. Always scraping the bugs, hoping I get them off and the bird stuff before it ruined the paint. The slightest rain and I had to start all over. In the summer it even melted off.

After the first coat of Zaino I had to admit, it did have a great shine. But so did other products. After I had about 4 coats on it, since it stacked, I wanted to see what the extra coats did. The car got even shinier with each coat and I noticed that the shine wasn't washing off, at all. When I went on a trip and came back with the nose covered in bugs, I figured I was in for an hour of scrubbing. I wet down the front and went and got my bug scrubbing supplies. Back to the car and sprayed it off real good again and turned to pick up my scrubbing supplies. When I turned back, the bugs were gone, with NO damage or anything to the paint or finish. I was sold. I had a cat that would always climb on my car with mud all over him. I came out one morning and there were a bunch of "slide" marks where the cat tried to get on the car and kept sliding off. He never came back. Any time it rains, I just get out the Z-6 enhancer spray and I'm done and it looks like it had just been polished. I had my car sitting for 5 days on a roof level garage on another trip. When I came out to head back home, it was literally covered in seagull cr@p and I mean covered, with it baking in the sun for 5 days. I cleared off the windows for the long drive home and then sprayed it off real good, unloaded the car, came back and sprayed it off again, used a little of the Z-6 enhancer spray and it looked like I had just polished it.

I'll never use anything else but Zaino again. No product I had ever used before ever came close.

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

Speaking of cats on cars, I happened to look out the front window at my car, just as a cat jumped on the hood. The cat slid all the way across and off the other side. Zaino is slick and glossy. The cat can testify to the slickness, as it still comes around. It gets on my neighbor's car, but leaves mine alone.

Like many here, I've used a LOT of products over the years, but in the end, only one line has consistently met or exceeded my high expectations.....Zaino. There is more to Zaino than just the shine. You can make almost any wax or even some household products shine as well as Zaino, but there is more to a wax than shine alone. Here's what Zaino offers, besides it's optically clear, bright, wet look shine, which arguably is the best I've found. Zaino, with it's polymer formula contains no natural wax, none. It's completely synthetic, and offers fantastic protection from UV and other environmental factors especially since Zaino is one of the very few products that can layer or build after every coat. This is a major plus if you have a daily driver. You simply can't beat the protection that Zaino affords. The shine will not wash off after a rain storm or a couple car washes, like most all ordinary waxes, which can't layer. In fact, it usually improves after each wash, a pretty nice effect IMO! So, you see, there is more to proper car care than just the shine. If you want just shine, use Pledge furniture polish, it contains the same types of ingredients as an ordinary wax, but what kind of protection would you be getting from doing so?? NONE! Also, Zaino is so slick that nothing will usually stick to my finish now, like bugs, tar, etc, which makes cleaning the car sooooo much easier. After years of trying and using just about every quality product I can get my hands on, Zaino is the one that earns my business, and my trust with my car's finish. There is a reason why Zaino is preferred by most enthusiasts all over the net about keeping cars looking their best with the most protection. It's up to you to find out.... http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

Oh, and you won't find another manufacturer that will stand behind their customers and products like the guys at ZainoBros, and the creator Sal Zaino. Sal is extremely customer oriented and will usually do what it takes to make sure customers are 110% satisfied. This kind of customer service means a ton in my book...and it carries over with the distributors as well. The Zaino distributors are usually always willing to go out of their way to make sure you are satisfied and informed about the products. Top notch products + top notch service = fantastic products with fantastic support!

If you have questions about any of the products, feel free to email me and I'll be glad to try to help you with the decision. I see you are from California. I can also suggest some distributors in your area if you like.

Mike
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*My 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.* (http://mls77.homestead.com/92camarors.html)
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, other Kenwood & Pioneer goodies...
Show Car Shine by ZainoBros! - Thanks Sal!



[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 21, 2002).]

I was "addicted to" the Mother's products for 7-8 years.
Between this site and LS-1.com, I learned about Zaino and haven't touched anything else since!!!

Plus it smells nice!!!!
Disclaimer- Don't drink Z-6, it doesn't taste as good as it smells!! (But you get plenty of time in the outhouse to read car magazines!!!)

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All single F-body girls, please apply within!!

Well, I might as well add my $.02 worth as well. I was EXTREMELY skeptical before I tried the Zbros products. Especially since my initial order was close to $100. just to get started (wife: You're going to spend $100. on WHAT?). I've been keeping nice cars since I was 16 (now 41) and have used too many products to mention - if it was available at the local auto store, I probably used it at one time or another.

Then I did it, I broke down and got the Zbros. products - clay bar, swirl remover, clear coat polish, some speed enhancer (don't remember the number), pads and finishing spray. Spent several hours working on the car. Let me tell you, the shine was absolutely incredible -- but even more importantly was when you ran your hand/finger across the paint -- SMOOTH. I had never felt a car finish as smooth as this. My brother in law then pulled up and he commented on the shine so I made him run his finger across - his comment was "Holy Sh!t" and wanted to know what I used. Then my dad saw the car and said he couldn't believe that my '96 looked better than his '02 (miata)and he wanted me to do his car (he's been a good dad so.... I guess I'll do it, hehehe).

I've since put a second coat on and most of the car wash swirls and other light scratches have all but disappeared and the shine has truly gotten deeper and deeper. Even after a rain, the shine "shines" through and you can't really tell the car is even dirty unless you get right up to it. I now swear by Zaino's and have recommended it to several of my friends with nice rides (even though they're not F-bods!).

My suggestion - TAKE THE PLUNGE, BITE THE BULLET, SPEND THE BUCKS - The best Mod you'll ever invest in - It is worth every single penny!

D4

D4,

Your story is a classic example of how many of us got started with Zaino and why it continues to be the favorite. I can relate very well to everything you mentioned. I think at some point we were all skeptics before using it, but the fact is, that the Zaino products do all the talking. It's really amazing the amount of money most of us here have spent on other wax related (nonZaino) products in the past. Heh, probably enough to easily have a lifetime supply of the Zaino polishes. http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif Oh well, live and learn, but stick with the best! http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif

Oh, and yeah I agree with the rain comment. I've never used anything that looked as good before AND after a downpour of rain. It's quite amazing really...
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*My 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.* (http://mls77.homestead.com/92camarors.html)
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, other Kenwood & Pioneer goodies...
Show Car Shine by ZainoBros! - Thanks Sal!



[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 21, 2002).]

It is really THAT good. My hubby thought I was insane to order all the products as we have a full line of Meguiar's, too, but now he is working his butt off with his Meg's products and envying me with my Zaino as I quickly and easily remove the polish from my whole car while he is still sweating over the hood! He constantly asks me to redo his 'Vette with Zaino, I'm refusing until he goes to Mall of America shopping with me. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Rox

2001 Bright Rally Red SS Zaino-happy and would really like a Corsa sometime in this cosmic millennium

OK this Zaino bug has bitten me, I got to try after all of these stories, but I checked all of the local auto stores and nobody carries it. Whats the deal?

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David

1997 Z28 M6, Monsoon CD, T-Tops, Leather
Flowmaster, TPIS AirFoil, 1LE Intake Elbow, CAI, K&N Conal Filter, Chromed Z28 style tips, Silver Camaro lettering rear, Replaced factory fog lights with Pilot Driving Lights with Hyper-White Bulbs

Join my Yahoo Group at
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Well, Sal Zaino does not want Zaino to be sold in stores where the customer would not get full instructions on how to use it. It is sold through a dealer network, or direct from Zaino. I see you're in Ky. Check this site, and ask how to obtain Zaino: www.kyfbodies.org (http://www.kyfbodies.org)

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 30thZ286speed:
OK this Zaino bug has bitten me, I got to try after all of these stories, but I checked all of the local auto stores and nobody carries it. Whats the deal?

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I order direct from Sal...

www.zainobros.com (http://www.zainobros.com)

Well my Dad actually bragged on the shine on my car! That is saying something!

At first I wasn't totally blown away. However, it just keeps getting better. The 2nd coat was a big improvement!! I have 5 or 6 coats on my car now, and it is really starting to glow. I bought the clay bar, but I really didn't use it much. I'm a fanatic, but I really don't have time to carry my detailing that far.

After the first coat, I bent down to put air in my tires at a gas station. It felt like someone was looking at me. Well, it turns out it was me! I could see my reflection in the paint much,much,much more than before. And that was just the first coat.

The greatest thing to me is the water beading.I have never seen anything bead water like this stuff. WOW! Anything else I've used would just about be gone after two or 3 washes.

The Z6 is great! It sure does smell good! It makes the paint ultral slick and shiny. The other day though I sat my Z6 bottle down. I knocked it over accidentally, and the top came off the bottle! I grabbed it as quick as I could, but it gushed real big before I could pick it up. I really didn't lose that much, but I bet I lost enough to do the car 15 times or so.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Allen66:
I bought the clay bar, but I really didn't use it much. I'm a fanatic, but I really don't have time to carry my detailing that far.
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You really should do at least one full claying every year, or more often if your paint needs it. It doesn't take very long to clay once you're familiar with the process, but the results are amazing, both in terms of slickness/smoothness, and shine. You'd be surpried how much of a difference the clay will make, especially in preserving your finish over time. One of the better times to clay is immediately after a wash. Fill the bucket with fresh Z7 suds and rewet each panel claying as you go. May take one or two extra hours, but it's well worth it!

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*My 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.* (http://mls77.homestead.com/92camarors.html)
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, other Kenwood & Pioneer goodies...
Show Car Shine by ZainoBros! - Thanks Sal!

Guess I will try it.

I've used it, and have had concours restored cars. I honestly couldn't see what the real big deal is. To me there are alot of other comprable produsts out there for a hell of alot less money. I use a place called Griot's Garage. Their website is
www.griotsgarage.com (http://www.griotsgarage.com) Today Zaino is the deal in some circles. Tomorrow it will be something else.

Griot's certainly isn't a "hell of a lot" less than Zaino and a host of other products actually. Their prices are very inflated cosidering what you get for the money. I wouldn't consider a $13 bottle of Zaino expensive, considering the number of applications you get and how long it lasts. Griot's waxes certainly aren't cheap and offer the run-of-the mill durability of nearly any carnauba. Blitz or P21S wax offers better durability and shine IMO, for considerably less. But, if that's what you're after, that's cool, but Zaino isn't today's fad. It's been used by enthusiasts for years and grows in popularity every day. In fact, synthetic formulas will likely represent the future of detailing products in the years to come if the government keeps cracking down on high solvent products, like carnaubas. I'm not saying Griot's is bad, but there are much better values among carnauba waxes. And, Griot's can't begin to touch the durability and protection of a synthetic, like Zaino. You're comparing apples and oranges really...your "concours" cars are nothing like your everyday street cars. And caring for them is in another world alltogether. They certainly have no need for durable products or protection.

In a word, yes!

Since I turned 16 (14 years ago) I used only the "good stuff" on my rides. I was a Mother's Gold and Meguire's user and I'll admit, my cars always looked great. (and my dad's car, and my friends' cars ... they all paid me to detail their cars)

When I got the Z28 last year, I quickly heard about this Zaino stuff, just from being on the CZ28.com board. I thought, what the heck, I'll get a bottle of Z1 and Z2 and give it a shot.

All I could say was WOW ! My navy blue metallic paint looked better than it did when I bought the car. And I didn't even do the clay bar or anything special .... just one coat of Z1 and one coat of Z2.

I just talked my Bullitt friend into giving Zaino a try. He wouldn't try it on his Bullitt quite yet ... not until he tried it on his Explorer. He called me today ... he was just finishing up his 2nd coat on his Bullitt. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

This weekend, I went all out ... washed, clayed and re-washed the Black WS6. Then I did 3 coats of Z5 and a coat of Z2, all with ZFX and a coat of Z6 in between all other stuff.

When I pull out into the sunlight tomorrow morning, the car is going to blind the neighbors. It has a glossy mirror finish on it.

Sal's stuff is kinda pricey if you have never bought high-end polish before. People that buy a $2 bottle of Turtle-Wax probably won't spring for $75 worth of polishes. (that's how much it cost me for a bottle of Z2, Z5, Z6, SFX, and clay bar) But if you're serious about your car, and want the best looking finish for your baby, Zaino is the only way to go.

When you spend $20 for the ZFX, and only get a tiny blue bottle ... you'll think WTF did I buy for $20? The ZFX eliminates the Z1 step and allows for a much faster drying time. I was able to do 3 coats today because of the ZFX. Without it, using Z would have limited me to possibly 2 coats, and even that isn't recommended. Using Z1, Sal recommends 24 hours between coats. The ZFX allows you to do up to 6 coats in a 2-day weekend.

Sorry to ramble so much, but I am a die-hard Zaino fan. Sure, the other stuff may be cheaper and faster, but the Zaino is incredible for durability and the shine is like no other.

One word of caution ... use it lightly. The biggest mistake everyone makes the first time is to put it on too thick. It doesn't take much.

I mix 1oz at a time and usualy get 2 coats out of it. Some people even get 3 coats from 1oz. I guess I'm still putting it on a litle thick, even after almost 2 years of experience with it.

Buy some and try it out. If you don't like it, someone here will buy it from you. I promise!



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2001 TransAm WS6, M6 3.42
HPP, TBB, 160* t-stat, MTI Lid, Holley PowerShot, Flowmaster 80, Port/Polish MAF

www.BlackWS6.com (http://www.BlackWS6.com)

2001 Z28
-- R.I.P. - 06/25/02

Zaino has another satisfied customer here!
I finally broke down and bought everything Zaino. Z2, Z5, Z6, Z7, Z9, Z10, Z12, Z18 and ZFX... got it all.
I've been hearing alot of good things about Zaino, so I gave it a shot myself.
After the Dawn wash, clay bar, and one simple coat of Z5 and Z6, I am blown away by the results. I can't wait to see what it looks like after a couple coats of Z2 http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif
Heck, I may even leave work early so I can get home and Zaino the car some more.

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Yahoo! Group - Chevy Camaro Z28 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chevycamaroz28/)
2001 Camaro Z28 (http://www.camarohighway.com/2001Z28) A4 2.73 - Navy Blue Metallic - my 5th Camaro!
Stock Dyno: 293HP/317TQ
Stock 1/4 Mile: 13.573 @ 103.18
Mods: SLP CAI, K&N Filter, SLP Loudmouth, SLP Lid
Best 1/4 Mile: 13.285 @ 106.11

I am a Zaino believer! Though the application process makes me want to switch back to Meguiars, the end result makes it all worth it!

From what I've seen, I think the "shine" factor is better on darker colors. My white car is still shiney, but not as shiney as my brother's red Camaro. (maybe it's me, or maybe it's just a white thing http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif )

The real reason I buy Zaino is because of protection. Last year, I put the wax on. It looked great. After a few rainstorms and heat, my car did not feel as smooth (I always run my hand down the paint to see if it needs a polishing) as it once did. Fast foward to this year: Zaino goes on, its stays on...and on...and on...and on, etc. I can feel the smoothness of the car, and I actually LIKE the way the car looks in the rain, all beaded up and pretty http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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1995 white Firebird 3.4 V6 A4 w/ T-tops
Mods:Kenwood KDC516S stereo, front and rear Alpine speakers, Flowmaster 80 series, Firebat (http://www.firebatscave.com) and Autografics (http://www.caprok.net/gtachuck/autografics.htm) decals, Moroso CAI, Painted interior (Silver Metallic), 3 10" MTX Thunder 6000 subs, BMR STB, Zaino, !speed, !horsepower Help CT get a dragstrip! (http://www.petitiononline.com/JayHass/petition.html)

I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER!!!!!

http://ultimate-reflections.com

IT IS EASIER TO APPLY ,SHINES AS GOOD AND IS CHEAPER......

P.S. DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT "ZAINO" OR THEY WILL BOOT YOU OFF THE SITE.....

SPAM

Who needs a cleaner wax? Lazy... Gee, let's give up a product that shines for months, for one that shines a few weeks at best. Real smart...

Do you see a bunch of Zainoers going over to your site saying "ohh ohh buy Zaino it's better?" Uhh, no, because we have no need to SPAM. The reason people get booted is for acting like idiots and starting crap. While we're on the subject of stupidity, I loved how Prisco stated that you could rub Zaino on a paint finish and see paint pigment on the applicator. LMFAO!!!! How you people put up with the blatant lies and BS he spews is beyond me... http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif



[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 26, 2002).]

http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif the only idiots are the people who think there is only one thing in the world..please keep on spending hours and hours with zaino. that means there is just one more slow car off the road!!!!!

I think you're nutty if you believe it takes hours and hours to use Zaino.

Personally, we don't care what you use, but to think Zaino is the only thing we have ever tried is rediculous. I used dozens of different products for over 30 years, until I tried Zaino. It worked far better than any other product I had tried in all those years, so why would I go back to something that doesn't meet my standards. The vast majority of Zainoholics tried many, many products before we selected Zaino. When folks who come onto the board having never tried Zaino, criticize it, then yes we take exception to the ignorant comments. Most of us just try to state the facts and when the facts are compared Zaino wins hands down, it's that simple.

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

Prisco must either A:spend a lot of time bashing Zaino and/or this msg board so his customers feel they need to join in,

OR B: Get his few buddies and himself to log on here just to act like childish brats.

I wouldn't touch F113 if it was the last thing on earth simply based on how he and the most of the "other" F113 users behave. The poor behavior is so similar I believe it's just him.

No, I'm not a big Zaino fan, either so don't jump to that conclusion.

Prisco. Reminds me of two words that probably sum up the product and the person.

Jeff

I love the results of Zaino. Hard work does pay off. I use Zfx, Z6, Z7, Z5, and Z3, and buff with Royal Velvet towels. Believe me, the shines is awesome on my 96 z28.

But the shine just doesn't magically come back the same after you treat it like ****.

I had Reserve training for 2 weeks, and had no choice but to park my car on base right here in sunny southern California. I was unable to wash it, and it just sat there outside. Though it didn't rain, it did accumlate that evening "dew" every day; plus it's dusty as hell in southern cali.

After my training, I washed the car, and after Z7 and Z6, the finish looked like crap still. Some sort of oxidation. But it came out quick with a few applications of Z5.

My main problem is the durability of the shine.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by terry brugg:
http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif the only idiots are the people who think there is only one thing in the world..please keep on spending hours and hours with zaino. that means there is just one more slow car off the road!!!!!</font>

What does any of this have to do with slow cars? That makes no sense! Maybe shiny cars, but, uh, last time I checked you don't gain 10hp waxing your car, so how do the two relate? Maybe you think because your car is faster than everyone's that it fills some sort of self-deficiency that you lack? Right, I forgot, you're the fastest, shiniest thing on the road b/c you use F113. http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif

I literally have shelves full of other detailing products, including many varieties of waxes and polymers, and I think KevinV's post pretty much summed it all up nicely. If you think we all own or have owned just one product, you're full of yourself bud...get a clue already, spammer. For the absolute life of me, I still can't see why you F113 guys insist on comparing that stuff to Zaino, it's apples and oranges!! Why not rile up the Meguiar's guys or Mother's guys where your $20 bottle of cleaner wax belongs? I don't understand! Wait, maybe I do....F113 is so jealous of Zaino and its enthusiast customer base it drives you people mad, especially that Pri(kso character. Being that you're a distributor and all, have you ever wondered what is in the F113 you sell that removes swirls, cleans oxidation, and only lasts a few weeks at best?? It's pretty simple actually, but I'll leave that one for you guys to figure out... And, the fact that you defend that low-life, lying, BSer makes your credibility diminish as quickly as the wax you're selling. Think about it...

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*My 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.* (http://mls77.homestead.com/92camarors.html)
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, other Kenwood & Pioneer goodies...
Show Car Shine by ZainoBros! - Thanks Sal!

[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited September 03, 2002).]

my comment on the slow car thing was just to show how unbelievable all this is...i have used zaino many times and was impressed by it's results. however i have used race glaze and it spawned similar results as well.. ..i once posted years ago on how great zaino is and no one believed the few of us who tried it..MEGUIARS" YOU ALL CRIED ,WAS THE BEST.... now there are even more options....Formula 113 USERS are just suprised at how unbelieving you are at NEW THINGS.. virtually everyone who has used F113 has claimed a similar shine to zaino with one third the work....use whatever you want .attitudes like this site toward zaino are like that of HONDA CIVIC OWNERS....

The only thing is that F113 is pretty much the same as dozens of other products I've tried over the years and wasn't satisfied with. I even asked one time, quite a while back, from the owner or a distributor, I forget which it was, what made F113 different from all the other carnauba/silicone/cleaner products I'd tried for over 30 years, they never responded.

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

Zaino really is the best stuff out there - that I have tried anyway. It's easy to use. The hard part is learning how little you need to use. If you stick to the Zaino "system" you can have your car looking phenomenal.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by terry brugg:
my comment on the slow car thing was just to show how unbelievable all this is...</font>

terry, Custom X, whoever...

I understand your position as a seller/distributor of the product. Of course you're going to promote it over all else. I don't have anything personal against you despite your spamming efforts, in fact I respect you for the fact that you are ultimately the end user of products like all of us here and have chosen the product that suits your needs. If it works for you, great. I'm happy if you're happy. I also kindly respect that you don't resort to childish, immature, totally repulsive behavior, unlike your boss. If you want to tell us how well the product has worked for you, do so. But, the endless spamming of buy me, buy me gets rather old, ya know? Personally I'd rather not resort to throwing out insults in every post, but focus on the hard facts and the truth. If we are all enthusiasts here, what is there to get mad or upset about? So, my position is that if you can substantiate the claims and facts behind the products and tell everyone why you like the products, it will go farther than spam and the "I'm better than you are attitude." In the end the choice is yours. Throw out good hard information and you'll get good responses. Throw out spam and BS, and you'll get yourself nowhere fast.

BTW, the Wax Test did a test of the top 46 products, 113 finished 34th and guess what product finished 1st, Zaino by a large margin. Pickup a copy at www.gurureports.org (http://www.gurureports.org) if you want the facts. These guys know the facts with hard test data. I've used many of the same products they have in the past and their rankings are for the most part pretty consistent with my own use of the same products. If we Zainoers are all biased and have no clue, please pick up a copy and read the reviews of other unbiased testers for yourself.

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*My 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.* (http://mls77.homestead.com/92camarors.html)
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, other Kenwood & Pioneer goodies...
Show Car Shine by ZainoBros! - Thanks Sal!

[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited September 04, 2002).]

thank you for realizing that we all come to this site for information. most people that i have come across , who have used f113 have loved it ... just like all things you must experience it first hand...so many people are just followers. the funny thing is that the majority of this site is made up of older (5+)year old paint jobs,that f113 would do wonders on..like i said zaino is a great product.but there are other high quality products available that are easier to use with similar results....p.s. i am not a dealer, just a finder of a great product..

We don't want the F113 because we don't want the abrasives, silicone, and carnauba. Most of us have been there with those types of products and have moved on. No need for "cleaner" (abrasives) waxes if the finish is kept up. No need for silicone or carnuaba when the synthetics are much better.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 97BlackT\A:


I wouldn't touch F113 if it was the last thing on earth simply based on how he and the most of the "other" F113 users behave. The poor behavior is so similar I believe it's just him.

Prisco. Reminds me of two words that probably sum up the product and the person.

Jeff</font>

I couldn't agree more.