Going bigger better and stronger....

.....I'm selling the following:


SY3500 - 400.00 usd

LS6 heads with Manley Valvetrain - 800.00 usd sale pending (Twitch)

228R cam - 300.00 usd

FLP headers complete - 1000.00 usd sale pending (Chris)

K&N FIPK - 160.00 usd

LS6 intake - 250.00 usd sale pending (Muff)

LS1 "loudmouth" - 170.00 usd

Baer bump steer rods ends - 140.00 usd

LS1 motor (block only) - don't know yet...going to 383 LS1 ARE EDIT: I need to send to block back

Baer GTP front brake set up - 1200.00 usd

....I'll be pulling everything apart after this weekend.


Thanks;






:) :)

383? They make a stroker LS1 in that size?

Man you should get a 422... :).

holly **** mike call me fill me in on the new project

:eek: Ive got to arange some financing so I can buy more stuff

Give me another pm on the heads mike Im all over these :bow: Do these include your vavetrain setup complete ??

:bow: :bow: :bow:

I may go to the bank and get a loan so I can buy the brakes too :bow:

damn u rich people :mad:

mike .. whatsup man !! get what u have down the track properly before ripping into pieces !!!

i think this is a syndrome that u and perry share ... :p

anyway .. good luck with yo shizznat

damn man, thats gonna be crazy! you keep going and payam might have to step up his combo:cool:

Originally posted by blue 79 Z/28
damn man, thats gonna be crazy! you keep going and payam might have to step up his combo:cool:

f*ck that .. im ready to hand over the throne .. too many fast cars coming out !! i cant keep up no more :bow:

i understand :cool:

Originally posted by Draco
383? They make a stroker LS1 in that size?

Man you should get a 422... :).

i think the Ls1 is actaully a 382 stroked not a 383 but who cares that is sweet.:bow:

Couple things...the LS1 modding feast has begun...soon everyone will be where I'm at right now..I can't have that. I'm getting the tranny pro-built with a higher stall and a stroker with stage III heads and cam. My suspension is alreay there..just need tires. As for the brakes.....6 piston Alcon :p ....so really all this stuff is for sale...but I need to know asap on the TC...if not I'm sending it to Yank and having it re-flashed to 3800


:p

mike call me 503 531 9166

Mike I have the pro + kits In stock

mike ur a crazy bastard!:bow:

Mike,

Just some friendly advice, but don't bother with a stroker. Rather then spend the cash on a Big Bore resleeved block. Believe me it'll make more power that way. The stroker motors don't shine unless you put that stroker crank in a Big bore motor. ;)

Good luck!

ATI:p :p :p :p :p :p on top of the stroker motor

427 cube 8.1 comp w/ 10 ponds of boost ;) ;) :D :eek:

or how about,


A "mild" 450 rwhp 427 NA setup for street, with a 200 shot of nitrous for the track :D

I've talked to ARE this morning and for 6100.00 shipped with my core I would get the 382 stroker with stage 3 heads and cam.....fully forged, I'm getting the Holley intake from Mike then I'm sending out the intake to Ontario and there gonna drill it for diret port...I know what your saying about the stroker Kurtis but I've been researching this for awhile and it seems thought this would be the best for me....can I ask you why you feel that way....share your input...


thanks;


Mike :)

Just make sure to save $2000 for a rear end. Adding all that power, and hopefully some traction will kill the rear end. Why not just buy an aluminum block and be done with it mike? ;) . Its lighter. And while youre at it replace the stock fans with lighter/stronger ones.... I still need one more stock fan :D .
Good Luck
CoryM

The LS1 is an amazing engine out of the box no doubt, but one of its downfalls is its tiny 3.90" Bore (3.905" in a rebuilt motor like you're doing). The larger bore unshrouds the valves, effectively allowing the heads/valves flow more. You are still getting the cubic inch advantage (388" taken out to 4.125 bore) , and now are also gaining the unshrouding of the valves. Search around LS1Tech.com in the Internal Engine section. And see what you find. The stroker cars are fine and dandy, but the big bore motors are the ones putting up the numbers.

There are alot of other intricacies to this, but a larger bore will nearly always be better then more stroke. I would only add stroke when its not possible to increase bore size any further (ie an LT1 where anything over ~4.040 is playing with fire for wall integrity). The breaking point of this is about 4.60" where the flame can't travel fast enough to burn all of the air/fuel mixture in the entire cylinder

Feel free to give me a call if ya want. (509)961-2373.

Originally posted by KTamez
The LS1 is an amazing engine out of the box no doubt, but one of its downfalls is its tiny 3.90" Bore (3.905" in a rebuilt motor like you're doing). The larger bore unshrouds the valves, effectively allowing the heads/valves flow more. You are still getting the cubic inch advantage (388" taken out to 4.125 bore) , and now are also gaining the unshrouding of the valves. Search around LS1Tech.com in the Internal Engine section. And see what you find. The stroker cars are fine and dandy, but the big bore motors are the ones putting up the numbers.

There are alot of other intricacies to this, but a larger bore will nearly always be better then more stroke. I would only add stroke when its not possible to increase bore size any further (ie an LT1 where anything over ~4.040 is playing with fire for wall integrity). The breaking point of this is about 4.60" where the flame can't travel fast enough to burn all of the air/fuel mixture in the entire cylinder

Feel free to give me a call if ya want. (509)961-2373.


Thanks Kurtis....can I cut an paste this to LS1tech.com and ARE? You made some very good points...I'll call ya after I get some more info...


Cory...it is an alloy block..as for cooling...Stealth is getting me the SLP hi flow rad...

No problem at all, go right ahead.

Just keep in mind nothing is absolute. You mention using nitrous. How much? Now you're looking at pushing a stock crank to its edge.

I honestly think you can make enough power with a Big Bore, Long rod, Short Compression height piston (LIGHT! ;)), that you won't need the nitrous. Put a solid roller in, and you'll be knocking on the 500rwhp door. ;) Also see if ARE will do another Offset Ground Crank, and what the cost is. Nice way to pickup ~10ci using the stock crank.

Good luck!

I was just looking at the fax and the finished bore is 4.100-4.125x3.622 stroke


I'll call in the morning to confirm...

Mike,

because ARE is in canada, how are they about the prices? Is it cheaper than others because of them being in Canada, and is that $6000 CDN? Probably not ehhh? How about shipping a motor to Ont?

Andy

well dude, being the bearer of good news:

That IS a big bore motor with a stock crank.

Maybe I'm missing something but you're several grand below the prices they're advertising online. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd make sure on what you're getting and for how much. I know they have 10% off this month, but Theres a difference measured in $1000's here...

Originally posted by oldschool
Mike,

because ARE is in canada, how are they about the prices? Is it cheaper than others because of them being in Canada, and is that $6000 CDN? Probably not ehhh? How about shipping a motor to Ont?

Andy

It is in usd.....I'm having the motor shipped with a friends trucking company and shipped back...but he said if he was to ship in Canada it is included...but man I've been thinking blower for awhile and over 6000 grand for the F1 which I want...so I'd rather have the same power in N/A and have a stronger motor opposed to the bottom end going from a blower to the stock bottom end....even later down the road this new motor would handle upto 15 psi safely


:eek:

Aparently Mike talked the guy into donig this very well, its all forged as I hear, & Cory, ALL LS1'S ARE ALLUMINUM!!! Yeah Mike that is a big bore motor with stock crank size, hope its forged like they claim :)

Originally posted by KTamez
well dude, being the bearer of good news:

That IS a big bore motor with a stock crank.

Maybe I'm missing something but you're several grand below the prices they're advertising online. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd make sure on what you're getting and for how much. I know they have 10% off this month, but Theres a difference measured in $1000's here...


This is the fax I recieved this morning....



Resleeved LS1 Aluminum Block w ARP Main Studs
Finished Bore 4.100¡ª4.125 x 3.622 Stroke
Lunati 4340 Connecting Rods 6.125
Ross Flat Top Forged Pistons with Valve Reliefs (.650+ Lift Cams)
Childs and Albert File Fit Ring Set
Clevite H Series Race Bearings
Choice of Cam
Rotating Assembly Fully Balanced
Engine Blueprinted
Fully Assembled Short Block

$ 6251.00 USD (Exchange)

Stage 3 heads add: 1200.00 USD Bought at a later date

OK that makes more sense. Its not $6100, Its $8400 including the stage 3 heads. Its not going to be a forged crank for that kind of money. Its a STOCK crank, that has been checked out etc.

If you need anything just call or email me as I won't be posting back in this thread.

damn man, where you work? im applying!! lol:D

Cory...it is an alloy block
oops, I had forgotten :D . Dont see many LS1 cars at work. Most are still on warranty.
CoryM

Originally posted by sleeperZragtop
This is the fax I recieved this morning....



Resleeved LS1 Aluminum Block w ARP Main Studs
Finished Bore 4.100¡ª4.125 x 3.622 Stroke
Lunati 4340 Connecting Rods 6.125
Ross Flat Top Forged Pistons with Valve Reliefs (.650+ Lift Cams)
Childs and Albert File Fit Ring Set
Clevite H Series Race Bearings
Choice of Cam
Rotating Assembly Fully Balanced
Engine Blueprinted
Fully Assembled Short Block

$ 6251.00 USD (Exchange)

Stage 3 heads add: 1200.00 USD Bought at a later date

Umm.. MIke I hope you realize thats not a forged crank, forged pistons & thats it. I don't know if thats such an awesome deal, but I guess it'll solve a lot of the LS1 burning blue problems.

Stock ls1 cranks are pretty strong arent they , I thought its the rods , and rod bolts that give it up :confused:

the Lunati 4340 connecting rods are forged too:D

Yeah just noticed that on their website 4340 connecting rods, still if I would do it I'd get forged everything. Mike get their 385 which is $1000 more forged everything & thats a stroker not a big bore.

bunker said..ALL LS1'S ARE ALLUMINUM!!!

Well technically yes. Are the guys using iron lq1 blocks for 408's and such yes..

I choose the motor to shake my car out be a ls1. :D and for all the nay sayers i will be racing this year. If you want a lil heads up race with a stock ls1 bring it on :P

Mike i have sent you another im..

Steven

What I meant to say is all LS1's in Camaros factory are alluminum :) my bad.

Originally posted by bunker
Umm.. MIke I hope you realize thats not a forged crank, forged pistons & thats it. I don't know if thats such an awesome deal, but I guess it'll solve a lot of the LS1 burning blue problems.


You must be mistaken the LTI's for the LS1's for burning blue....anyway the motor has been ordered and I can't change my mind....I can get a forged crank for extra...but there using a fresh crank in the motor. I need that 1000.00 for my tranny...


A couple of question though...where can I get a crate for my stock motor? Can you buy them....or do people make em? Also I need 2 guys next weekend after this one....I borrowed a picker from a friend....thanks


Mike

ur motor will be here so quick !? sweeet

give me a shout .. i'd be happy to help out.

ps. get ur LS1Edit already ... :rolleyes:

maybe ill do that instead. ill just save up and get ARE to build it. that is a pretty good deal. i should check out there LT1 prices.

Mike, let me know the details when you need help to pull everything apart. Also, if you need to transport the crate, empty or full, I will fire it the back of my truck for you. No heavy LT1's though, just those nice light aluminum LS1's;)

Mike: are you going to sell your rear-end to a guy in need?;)

Andy

Originally posted by oldschool
Mike: are you going to sell your rear-end to a guy in need?;)

Andy

I already have dibs on it :p

man **** i am all over this stuff, i want more info

Lol! This guy is OUT OF CONTROL BABY!!! Mike, I am all over the idea of helping you when you need any assistence with the install, removal, etc... as long as I am around.

And, when I get back from Cancun, we'll order the friggin LS1 edit. Twitch, we want you in on that too buddy!

Too bad he already ordered it :)

And, when I get back from Cancun, we'll order the friggin LS1 edit. Twitch, we want you in on that too buddy

Yup I definatly need this soo n also guys , please pm me the details again . . . I forgot how much $$ . Should be cheaper this time cause our money is worth more muhahahaaa!!! :D

Originally posted by Mr Z28
Mike, let me know the details when you need help to pull everything apart. Also, if you need to transport the crate, empty or full, I will fire it the back of my truck for you. No heavy LT1's though, just those nice light aluminum LS1's;)


Wow...thanks....I have to take it to a trucking company in Langley...as for the help...Johnny and ? Matt are coming over...yes Matt there will be food...

Originally posted by sleeperZragtop
Wow...thanks....I have to take it to a trucking company in Langley...as for the help...Johnny and ? Matt are coming over...yes Matt there will be food...

NIce, I like food :)

I can help too bud...

I get the shivers just think'n about putting a motor of this caliber in a Z like yours. Are you going full drag now??? How about a cage?

Andy