Another 5th gen poll

Which Camaro are you dreaming of?

Anyone "dreaming" of a mediocre 5th Gen Camaro will ultimately be dreaming of a 6th Gen Camaro (after the 5th goes on "hiatus")

A low priced V8 is a must, it's always been a Camaro staple....but even "low priced" doesn't have to mean uncompetitive.

I dont care if the next Camaro is world-class (save that for the new GTO & Vette), but I want it to be affordable (in 2008 dollars), fast, and good looking. I wont mind if its a little-crude as long as it delivers where its supposed to.

Originally posted by johnsocal
I dont care if the next Camaro is world-class ..... I wont mind if its a little-crude as long as it delivers where its supposed to.

I'm hoping it's at least a leader in it's class.

I have my drag car ......so a new camaro , I would have pretty high expectations of since it would be the daily car . I'm not talking about having all kinds of worthless crap either ......like onstar , active handling , heated seats and all that fluff stuff . I know GM wont screw up the in the motor/tranny department ...so just gimme a car that doesnt feel cheap . And please chevy , just give up now and let Holden design the interior . Make the big rounded egdes , overlapping panels and the ALL dark grey dashes go away forever . I am also totally for a midlevel v8 option , like a 5.3 from the trucks right around 285 hp . Give it a 6-speed , 17" wheels , power windows and locks , manual cloth seats .....not mouse furr ;) , 6-disc in dash changer with decent sound system as standard ....price it around $26K , and you'd sell the hell out of them .

Originally posted by 90 Z28SS
I have my drag car ......so a new camaro , I would have pretty high expectations of since it would be the daily car . I'm not talking about having all kinds of worthless crap either ......like onstar , active handling , heated seats and all that fluff stuff . I know GM wont screw up the in the motor/tranny department ...so just gimme a car that doesnt feel cheap . And please chevy , just give up now and let Holden design the interior . Make the big rounded egdes , overlapping panels and the ALL dark grey dashes go away forever . I am also totally for a midlevel v8 option , like a 5.3 from the trucks right around 285 hp . Give it a 6-speed , 17" wheels , power windows and locks , manual cloth seats .....not mouse furr ;) , 6-disc in dash changer with decent sound system as standard ....price it around $26K , and you'd sell the hell out of them .

RIGHT ON!!!:thumb:

It needs to be a basic, no frills sports/performance car, but well built and a real performer.

I don't know why everyone gets this idea that a low cost camaro has to be a POS.

If subaru can make an overhead cam, turbocharged, AWD car for $24,000, Mazda can make an RX8 for ~$26,000, Infiniti can make RWD luxury coupes starting at $27K, bmw can make a (luxury car) 325i starting at $28K and ford can sell Mustang GT's for ~$23K GM can make a WORLD CLASS pushrod V8 Camaro for $24,000 to $27,000 in today's money - they just choose not to.

Except for possibly the 3 series bimmer, none of these cars sell in volumes approaching the f-body twins, but GM still can't figure out a business case for a RWD coupe with a simple pushrod engine?

But knowing GM, performance will "need" to start at $30,000-$35,000 and they can't get the business case to work at that price - because it won't.

Camaro needs to be competatively priced, but with quality of design and material that is equal to that of other cars at it's price point.

If the F5 Camaro has the quality of the current Impala / Monte Carlo... everything will be good.

Originally posted by WERM
It needs to be a basic, no frills sports/performance car, but well built and a real performer.




EXACTLY! I really have no interest in things like HUD's, On Star and other electronic gimmickery. In fact I have no interest in any gimmickery whatsoever in a new Camaro. Please don't try to baffle me with marketing bullsh!t.

But it does need a completely modern chassis, top notch interior...and maybe some spicy bits, like Brembo brakes for a Z/28.

I dream of a simple, well engineered, well put together, high quality car.

That's the gimmick that'll get me to buy.

I second that. Cloth seats, minimuim amount of luxuary options (as said, HUD, onstar, etc) and a crapload of horsepower.

Originally posted by Z284ever
EXACTLY! I really have no interest in things like HUD's, On Star and other electronic gimmickery. In fact I have no interest in any gimmickery whatsoever in a new Camaro. Please don't try to baffle me with marketing bullsh!t.

But it does need a completely modern chassis, top notch interior...and maybe some spicy bits, like Brembo brakes for a Z/28.

I dream of a simple, well engineered, well put together, high quality car.

That's the gimmick that'll get me to buy.

Most definetly. The next Camaro should be a leader and something that gets recognized for being good instead of complaints and critisizm. The car should be managed as good or better than how the M*stang is setupwise and with advertising. And no BS features that no1 wants and optional DRL's!!

Originally posted by Z284ever
EXACTLY! I really have no interest in things like HUD's, On Star and other electronic gimmickery. In fact I have no interest in any gimmickery whatsoever in a new Camaro. Please don't try to baffle me with marketing bullsh!t.

But it does need a completely modern chassis, top notch interior...and maybe some spicy bits, like Brembo brakes for a Z/28.

I dream of a simple, well engineered, well put together, high quality car.

That's the gimmick that'll get me to buy.

Eh... I actually would WANT OnStar... I don't have fears of "Big Brother" watching over me, really, and I like the fact that if I get run off the road, or get in some other kind of accident, On Star is going to try to contact not only ME in the car, but get 911 out there to potentially save my life.

I would use my Camaro as a daily driver, and I would want this kind of technology.

I also wouldn't be opposed to HUD. I think it is a cool, useful feature, but I also wouldn't be upset if it were not available.

One low-cost option that could easily and cheaply be added, that would probably fall under "electronic gadgetry' would be seat heaters. I have them on my Monte SS, and they are fantastic if you drive your car in the winter... and the option was only a couple hundred bucks... WELL worth it, IMO!

Originally posted by Z284ever
EXACTLY! I really have no interest in things like HUD's, On Star and other electronic gimmickery. In fact I have no interest in any gimmickery whatsoever in a new Camaro. Please don't try to baffle me with marketing bullsh!t.

But it does need a completely modern chassis, top notch interior...and maybe some spicy bits, like Brembo brakes for a Z/28.

I dream of a simple, well engineered, well put together, high quality car.

That's the gimmick that'll get me to buy. I agree.Leave all of that crap for the corvette.

Let's not forget that there was a day when power lock and windows, power seats... heck, even a radio or clock were considered "electronic gadgetry"...

You gotta keep up with the times and offer stuff that most people want in a new car.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Let's not forget that there was a day when power lock and windows, power seats... heck, even a radio or clock were considered "electronic gadgetry"...

You gotta keep up with the times and offer stuff that most people want in a new car.

You've got a point , Darth. When we're talking basic today....we mean the inclusion of features like PW,PDL, etc.


But for me... keeping up with the times means a modern chassis, top notch interior and great build quality.

Judging by the poll numbers, Chevy may want to consider building more than one small RWD V8 car.

.....Camaro and......... truck based BelAir/Nomad.

I don't mind if all the gadgetry is available for the ppl who want it , but don't make everyone in the showroom loaded. If I can't afford all that stuff or don't want it, I ought to be able to get it with the things "I" want, not what the dealer wants cause that is how he makes his money. A Z28 should be a stripper anyway. Bring back the Type LT for the ppl who want a luxury Camaro. I was looking for a Z28 or SS around 99 or 00 I can't recall which year, but all the salesman wanted to do was show me trucks, and when I asked about ordering one(Camaro) they said, Oh we don't do that you have to go to a special dealer, but we have some nice trucks over there. Ultimately I decided to forgo the huge payments and bought my 94 Z and was very happy with it till it was wrecked now I have another 94 and am also very happy with it. I am sure I'm not the only one who was turned away from a new F-body by idiot salesman. I don't work for a dealership or GM, but cause I am a fan I sell GM to ppl all the time. All who have listened are very happy with their GM cars. There are still some tough ones but I'll continue to work on them, cause I believe in GM cars n trucks. One guy I've been working on for a while is a BMW guy but his beemer is getting older, and today he told me he really likes the CTS. I'll get him in GM. I don't even get paid for it, I enjoy it. Where are all of the salesman like me who actually believe in the product. How can they sell them and drive home in their other brand car? Most I speak with are blown away by the fact that I know way more than them about the product they are supposed to be selling me.What is wrong with this picture gm? :confused:

i would rather pay more and get one sweet ass camaro the npay less and get a slap together vehicle with a good engine and tranny. oh thats what we have now;)

You can get a great vehicle and awesome powerplant and transmission for less than you'd think. There are many ways to reduce costs.....The trick is how much money and effort are they going to spend to develop it?

I'm no statistician, but it seems that 2/3 of the respondants are willing to pay a fair price for a world class Z/28...but it must be world class.

Another 1/3 will accept a less sophisticated package if GM can take a couple of thousand out of the price.

That's nearly 100%! (well actually 94%).


So if we have a Z/28 as previously described here many times...for $27-$30K.

.....and an intermediate V8 model with less expensive brakes, wheels, supension, engine, etc....

...almost everyone who responded would buy one or the other.


OK Chevy...I've done my part. Now take the ball and run with it!

Originally posted by Z284ever
So if we have a Z/28 as previously described here many times...for $27-$30K.

.....and an intermediate V8 model with less expensive brakes, wheels, supension, engine, etc....

...almost everyone who responded would buy one or the other.


OK Chevy...I've done my part. Now take the ball and run with it!


Then the question becomes the V6 cars (which should make up most of the sales!) Don't forget the base car.

Originally posted by Z284ever
Judging by the poll numbers, Chevy may want to consider building more than one small RWD V8 car.
You forget that they don't give two sh**s what their loyal enthusiast customers think.

They want those Accord buyers! :rolleyes: F*** those damn Bowtie performance lovers!

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Then the question becomes the V6 cars (which should make up most of the sales!) Don't forget the base car.

Yup..they've got to sell a whole bunch of those too.

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