GM's automotive philosphy?

johnsocal
06-05-2003, 10:29 PM
Old-school GM philosophy believed that people would start off buying an entry level Chevy (Saturn was the modern attempt of entry level vehicles) then move up to a larger Buick or a more sporty Pontiac, then move up to a more luxury/sporty Oldsmobile (before it was axed) before finally reaching the pinnacle of Cadillac.

The problem was that people like to stay with the same brand as long as they are happy with it .This brand loyalty has forced GM to share platforms with similiar bodystyles accross all of its brands since many Saturn or Chevy owners would never consider buying a Pontiac or a Buick and vice-versa. Many loaded Chevys are now in the price-range of entry-level Caddy’s which helped contribute to the death of mid-priced Oldsmobiles. The current trend is that most people purchase cars as long as they are under $30,000 and more and more people are leasing cars that are over $30,000 so they can drive a luxury car (status symbol) with the same monthly payment as a standard Chevy.

Within each GM brand it appears there will be the equivalent Chevy (entry-level), Pontiac (sporty), and Buick/Olds (semi-luxury) within each brand. Cadillac appears to be the exception since all Caddy's will either be luxury/entry-level, luxury/sporty, ultra-luxury, or ultra-luxury/sporty.

GM would most likely be better off with fewer brands but legal resposibilities to many in its dealer network would make it difficult and expensive to kill failing brands off. GM has also created a new brand like Hummer which is doing very well with its new H2 and with the smaller H3’s and even H4’s coming in the next few years it will give Jeep a run for its money for being the ultimate off-roading vehicle brand. It seems like Hummer has become what GMC couldnt, just when GMC was starting to become the Luxury brand for trucks and Suvs, GM decides to make trucks for Caddy , and thus making GMC the Buick/Olds of the truck industry.

Sometimes it appears the GM needs to do some “Creative Destruction” so they can create new brands by letting them form roots in the ruins and rubble of older and/or failed brands. Automotive brands are nothing more then the perception of all its cars in a collective. If you make great cars with unique features and designs then you will eventually make a great brand, but if GM continues to recycle the same old stuff and repackage it as new, then this philosophy will only lead to more failed brands and possibly the demise of GM itself in time.

johnsocal
06-06-2003, 02:59 AM
One of the reasons GM loves leasing vehicles (besides the obvious reasons) is that it forces the customer to come back into the showroom within a specified period of time. Since the customer has to give the car back to the dealer they are suddenly without a vehicle and become a prime candidate to lease or purchase another vehicle from the same dealer.

While in the past used cars were a much better deal then buying new but since you can now get huge rebates and 0% financing for 5 year or 1.9% for 6 years it makes buying a 3 year old used car with 6% financing for only 36 months (most banks will not go 60 months on a 3 year old car)not that attractive anymore. You end up having a lower monthly payment buying new plus you have a full-length warranty.

1990 Turbo Grand Prix
06-06-2003, 09:50 AM
I agree with what you said about leasing beacause it is true, but I think GM has their divisions in line for a satisfying future. Here's their position.

Chevy- Affordable, semisporty cars for the real world budget

Pontiac- Performance enthusiast car

Buick- Traditional luxury and luxury SUV's and crossovers

Cadillac- Standard of the world

GMC- Higherlined trucks versus Chev, luxury biased

Hummer- top of the line macho SUV image machines

Saturn- Euro and Asian competitor.

Saab- GM's own European alternative

GM should be ok with their upcoming line ups. But I know where you're coming from.

johnsocal
06-06-2003, 11:25 AM
I think Buick should eventually get axed as soon as all of it-s "oldtimer" customers pass-away since very few younger people would ever be caught died in a Buick. I also believe that GMC should get the axe since Caddy has the luxury truck/SUV market and Hummer has a better luxury off-road image.

In some ways I would like to see SAAB (over $30,000) and Saturn (under $30,000) dealers share the same showroom floor and have their cars designed by GM's OPEL division.

If that doesnt work maybe they should just replace Buick with OPEL instead.

poSSum
06-06-2003, 11:28 AM
Good Points.

GM needs to restructure to have a dealer network that is more in line with their market share. Dump divisions, and streamline the product portfolio. I think Nissan/Infiniti and Toyota/Lexus are logical models to follow ...or perhaps a 3 tier system.

It seems ludicrous to me that I have to go to at least 3 dealers to see the complete GM portfolio ....especially considering that I am extremely dealer loyal.

guionM
06-06-2003, 01:40 PM
Perhaps the line up should be:

Saturn: compacts & sub compacts
Chevrolet: value oriented midsize, full sized and sports cars
Pontiac: high performance versions of mid sized and large cars
Cadillac: Uh .......just keep doing what it's doing.

Buick's lineup should be adsorbed by Cadillac and Chevrolet (ie: Regal as Caprice, Park Ave as the Cadillac for the "conservative retiree" crowd).

Saturn and Chevrolet are vying for the same customers and either Saturn should go, or GM should completely give Saturn the compact-sub compact market. Chevy would step up in stature, Saturn would have higher sales volume (imagine if they had Cavalier's volume).

Imperfect idea, but just a thought.

johnsocal
06-06-2003, 03:48 PM
Since Saturn and Olds had similar design themes I would bet that GM thought they could get new import buyers through the Saturn brand and then upgrade them in 5 years later to a more profitable and larger Olds. Unfortunately those who liked Saturns didnt want an Olds and it wasnt til 2000 (almost 10 years after Saturn started) they finally brought out the midsized L-series (Opel based) that got only lukewarm acceptance at best.

They really should have killed off Oldsmobile 7 years ago and turned them into Saturns. The last generation of Oldsmobile were nice looking and good performing cars that failed because the Olds brand was so poorly percieived that even good cars could not ressurect it back into its former glory.

Having the word "OLD" in Oldsmobile didnt help either and GM even attempted to change the entire brands name to "Aurora" to go with there new (at the time) Aurora sedan but decided against it thinking that Olds had a great heritage that could become an asset but it only proved to be a liability in the end.