What kind've LS1 Camaro should an 18 year old get?

Hi. I'm bored of my durango and am looking to get something fast/more fun to drive. Any suggestions for when i'm shopping around? I'm really inexperienced in looking around at these types of cars.
Thx

Im 19, and got a '99 Camaro SS ..... and get a ton of looks (if youre into that) does get to be a little bit too much.... find myself having to avoid a$$holes on the road that like to cut you off and want to race you every other stop light.... but all I do is look the other way, and pretend that they arent there (not a street racer) ... both are great looking cars ... I wouldnt of minded a Dark Blue Metallic Camaro Z28 with Ground effects ;)

Camaro SS pics (http://camaroz28.cardomain.com/id/cerealtool228)

ive had my car since i was 18, its great.
any kind of ls1 you will be happy with.

how much did your SS cost?

OK I GOT MY 98 Z28 WHEN I WAS 17 AND LET ME TELL YOU ITS AWESOME. I LOVE IT. AND I DON'T GE AS MANY RACES A WHAT WAS SAID ABOVE. THE IMPORTS KNOW BETTER BECAUSE I SOUND SCARY AND THE OLD PEOPLE IN THE AMERICAN CARS HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO. YOU CAN GET GREAT DEAL ON A 98. WHO WOULDA THUNK THAT I'D BE 18 WITH CAR OF LESS THAN 93(BRIGHT PURPLE METALIC) WITH 300+ HP I LOVE IT...JUST GET ANY LS1 IN YOUR BUDGET:bow: :bow: :bow:

Wow, when i was 18 i had a Chevy Citation:(
Good luck on your purchase.
If you can afford it, go for a 01, or 02, they make a little bit more power.

I bought my 98 z28 before I turned 17 I'm 18 and I love the car. The imports stay away after a few races and it feels great to pull into a hangout and look and see everyone staring and talking about your car. I love my car everyone in the surrounding towns knows me as the kid with the cowl hood on the z28. Personally, I love just goin down the highway cruisin, and the car def has balls to back talk up bottom line i couldn't b any happier the only thing that would make me happier is more mods :D get a Z28 or SS believe me you won't regret it if your lookin for a car that looks good with an engine 2 back it up

get what you can afford.
if you can find a vette/SS/ws6/firehawk, go for it, but you will find lower prices on a z28, or trans am.

insurance is gonna kill you...for the obvious reason you mentioned above (age) but price it out, and if you can swing a ls1, then go for it...but i will warn you...the speed gets addicting and you will wanna start putting mods on it...and thats where it will really start hitting the wallet!

if money isnt an issue, i would say get a 2001 or 2002 fbody...newer, supposely a bit faster (all relative) and will have lower miles for the most part. if money is an issue, then you will wanna stick around a 98 or 99 fbody.


goodluck and let us know what you find!

dave

Im 19 and have my Black 2000 slp tuned ss, Wings west body kit, commando wing, rksport solar wing, Corbeau A4 seats, corbeau harness's, K&n filter system, slp loud mouth exhaust, slp y-pipe, hooker headers, ls6 intake manifold, Nitto nt555r's, and Built tranny and lots of zaino. And just beat a rt/10 viper, and stick with a gts final edition, I get tons of looks and am known for the car, depending on where you live get what know one has. Possibly a trans am ws6? or maybe a SS or a Z28

im 17 with a 02 vert WS6. Every light there is a race it seems around here O_o. i walk into the gas station and 50 people ask me if i wanna run... and out of the 50, 49 of them aren't worth my time. I am happy wit my car, but i kinda wish i waited for that perfect SS (6 speed, pewter vert, w/ dark leather). :)

get what u can afford, and what u know u will like =)

i had little money so i got a used '98 z28

it had 19,700 miles and i re-financed it three times b4 getting it at 5% at a federal credit union.
put down a big downpayment. your monthly payments will be lower.

i wish it were a '02, but it looks like a '02 and the payments are 227/month

now i can still afford to eat 3 times/day :D

good luck and drive it with respect :)

I got my '98 SLP modded SS when I was 20 (last summer). It had 14K on the clock and I got it for 16.5K....I had an LT1 before that. Both are great cars....but ya can;t deny the power and looks ya get in an LS1 SS...especially with the Navy Blue Metallic and the chrome ZR1's :cool:

Originally posted by Gossco95
Im 19, and got a '99 Camaro SS ..... and get a ton of looks (if youre into that) does get to be a little bit too much.... find myself having to avoid a$$holes on the road that like to cut you off and want to race you every other stop light.... but all I do is look the other way, and pretend that they arent there (not a street racer) ... both are great looking cars ... I wouldnt of minded a Dark Blue Metallic Camaro Z28 with Ground effects ;)

Camaro SS pics (http://camaroz28.cardomain.com/id/cerealtool228) I also hate when people do that. The whole time i've had the car, i've only raced twice. The first was against a Z and I ended up loosing due to me not paying attention to the light. (I went about 70 or so on a 50) The second time was against a Mach 1 only because I wanted to see how they would do against a LS1. (I ended up winning by about two and a half car lengths. Went up to a little above 90 in a 60).

Originally posted by SLPSSLS1
Im 19 and have my Black 2000 slp tuned ss, K&n filter system, slp loud mouth exhaust, slp y-pipe, hooker headers, ls6 intake manifold, Nitto nt555r's, and Built tranny and lots of zaino. And just beat a rt/10 viper, and stick with a gts final edition

:bs:

Would you happen to have N20 as well?

Originally posted by pan0phobik:
What kind of LS1 Camaro should an 18 year old get?
The 3.8 liter kind! :p

Wow, it sounds like a lot of people like Navy Blue Metallic in here, must be a great color.;)

I'm 21 and I got my car back in February. I REALLY wanted a Z28 ever since they came out in '93. Make sure you're very informed when you're looking for your car, when you go on a test drive, test everything else before you test the accelerator.

Don't buy more car than you can afford.

Get used to the car before you mod it. These cars are EXTREMELY fast bone stock and I can only imagine they would scream with the right mods.

Try to avoid red if you can, that color is a theif and cop magnet.

Whatever you decide, just be VERY careful. These cars are strong and will snap out from under you in a heart beat. Go slow and easy at first. This is no Durango. I have been driving and building these things for over 35 years and it still suprises how fast it was even before the mods.

Good Luck and have fun at the track.

Oh, SSCamaro_3, well said!

PJ

Originally posted by PJS TOY
Whatever you decide, just be VERY careful. These cars are strong and will snap out from under you in a heart beat. Go slow and easy at first. This is no Durango. I have been driving and building these things for over 35 years and it still suprises how fast it was even before the mods.

Good Luck and have fun at the track.

Oh, SSCamaro_3, well said!

PJ

I dont have a LS1, but I second that.

I used to drive my '77 daily, which had much less power and acceleration. However, I learned pretty easily hwo to drive that car to its limits. You coudl really feel when you were about to loose traction and there wasnt enough power to really break the rear end lose.

When I got my '95 Z a few months ago, it was a totally different car. Much more power (275hp LT1) and the suspension was years ahead of the '77's giving it a lot more grip. To sum it up, my new car is a lot more car than I am capable of driving to its full potential. Drop the car to second and give it a little bit of gas going around a turn in the wet and the car can easily just slide out on you. Press the gas and the road quickly gets shorter. It just takes a bit of carelessness to mess up. Theyre a lot of fun, but definately be careful.

With that said, I really wanted a LS1 but found my LT1 car at a good price so hopped on it. Depending on your budget you should be able to get whatever car you want. No version of the LS1 cars (firebird, WS6, firehawk, SS, Z28 etc.) is really any faster than others. Its all about which cosmetics you like and what yoru bugdget will allow. The 01-02 cars do seem to make a bit more power than the older models but its not a signifigant enough amount to dismiss getting a '98-00 car. Also, there really isnt much of a signifigatn difference in acceleration numbers between teh autos and manuals.

Hope you find the car youre looking for at a price you can afford. Good luck. :)

Originally posted by bigsteve7
Drop the car to second and give it a little bit of gas going around a turn in the wet and the car can easily just slide out on you. Press the gas and the road quickly gets shorter. It just takes a bit of carelessness to mess up. Theyre a lot of fun, but definately be careful.

Well said.



Don't let what we're saying make you think Z28s are unsafe, but if you don't know how to handle that power, they can be unsafe. A guy I know who used to work for the FL Highway Patrol said 2 troopers wrecked two Camaros so far because they weren't used to them.

Try to avoid nailing the gas in traffic, because you WILL catch up the cars in front of you very fast and you might rearend someone.

These cars can be unsafe in the rain if you don't drive them safely. The ASR does work, but these cars make so much power that the tires will easily spin when the ASR is on.

When people look at Camaros, they think it's a small car, but it's actually pretty wide and somewhat long. I don't know what you're coming from, but the width and low ride height takes a little while to get used to.

Originally posted by ratio411
The 3.8 liter kind! :p

AGREED!! I know of way too many kids that have rapped their cars around poles and trees. And all that does is show that most NOT all of the younger crowd cant handle these cars, and should have never of been behind the wheel to start. People get hurt and my insurance goes up because little punk kids want to street race and show off for their friends. The v6 cars are plenty fast for somebody just out of, or in high school. Learn how to drive that and by the time your 21 you might be ready for an LS1.

Originally posted by Aklaim
AGREED!! I know of way too many kids that have rapped their cars around poles and trees. And all that does is show that most NOT all of the younger crowd cant handle these cars, and should have never of been behind the wheel to start. People get hurt and my insurance goes up because little punk kids want to street race and show off for their friends. The v6 cars are plenty fast for somebody just out of, or in high school. Learn how to drive that and by the time your 21 you might be ready for an LS1.

lol! ok not to start any wars, and i respect u are older and more driving experience, but who are u to say that he should settle for a 3.8? I know its a suggestion but overall the 3.8 is a dog. it can be made fast w/ a lot of money however. I personally have a 02 LS1. I don't find it overbearing at all and i am 17. True i drive a 585 hp Nova ever week at the track, But that just proves that no one should be sayin he should get a v6. He could be some outstanding driver and a very self controlled person. He specifically asked for what ls1. Lets give him the answer he wants.


People get hurt and my insurance goes up because little punk kids want to street race and show off for their friends.

Kids? Maybe for ur sake u should attend these organized street races.. its not all "Kids" people there are 25+ as well! :)

he said LS1. Not the 3.8 engine

Test drove a 95 Z28 w/ 84,000 miles on it... Blew ass.
Then i went across town and drove a 97 Z28 w/ 28,000 miles on it.. drove smoother and felt better.. was in awesome condition for $12,500... but still not what i wanted. I need to drive an LS1 and see if it's much different, otherwise i'm gonna start leaning toward mustangs.

Originally posted by pan0phobik
Test drove a 95 Z28 w/ 84,000 miles on it... Blew ass.
Then i went across town and drove a 97 Z28 w/ 28,000 miles on it.. drove smoother and felt better.. was in awesome condition for $12,500... but still not what i wanted. I need to drive an LS1 and see if it's much different, otherwise i'm gonna start leaning toward mustangs.

The Mustang will "sound faster". The Ford's seem to make a great note. Although headers and duals on an LS1 is sweet. I think a Mustang will dissappoint you. I had a brand new GT by half a car at the top of first gear. Only the Cobra's are really impressive, and few 18 year olds this side of Kyle Busch should even breathe on the keys to one. I can get my car rolling easy, nail it, and blow the tires off through the top of first.

I'm 16 and have a 99 Z28. No I'm not a spoiled brat, in fact I worked for three summers and saved my money all my life for this thing. It's been a challenge to take care of, warped rotors, bad wheel bearing, scratches, rattles, etc.... and now a random SES light. Other than that it's fun, and becuase it's orange, I get lots of looks:D :cool:

No offense to anyone, but I think its funny that EVERY time the subject of age comes up, it seems like EVERY SINGLE TEENAGE KID out there who drives a LT1/LT4/LS1/LS6 has worked for a million summers and saved up every single penny their whole life and has their car COMPLETELY PAID OFF and pays for their OWN INSURANCE and their OWN MODS and everthing else...

...sorry but, at 16 and 17 and 18, i gotta say...

:bs:

I mean cmon...you guys arent impressing anyone

I wish my mommy and daddy would pay for my car/insurance/mods/etc...

But like I said, no offense, just my opinion. :cool:

How true, and also at 16.......saving up your whole life, really isnt all that long. thats like 3 - 4 years, sumertimes only max. And unless your born with a silver spoon in your mouth 16 year old kids dont make that much money. this is also just my opinion, and yes im aware that opinions are like a$$holes.....everybody has one.

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
No offense to anyone, but I think its funny that EVERY time the subject of age comes up, it seems like EVERY SINGLE TEENAGE KID out there who drives a LT1/LT4/LS1/LS6 has worked for a million summers and saved up every single penny their whole life and has their car COMPLETELY PAID OFF and pays for their OWN INSURANCE and their OWN MODS and everthing else...

...sorry but, at 16 and 17 and 18, i gotta say...

:bs:

I mean cmon...you guys arent impressing anyone

I wish my mommy and daddy would pay for my car/insurance/mods/etc...

But like I said, no offense, just my opinion.

Well sorry to say I paid for my entire car. I've never had anything fun much more than a mountain bike, nothing motorized. I currently have a job and pay half of my insurance and pay everything for my mods. I pay for service and any fix ups. My insurance company placed me on our old '83 pickup so my insurance is very cheap.

I shouldn't have even said my age. I was curious about camaros. Not how people pay for them/buy them. I said my age because I was hoping people would give me cost-efficient solutions while still having a fun/reliable car. and So what if kids dont pay for their cars? Is it hurting you any? No.. Then why do you let it bother you so much? Yea i dont pay for everything I hvae either.. but I plan on repaying my parents greatly in the future after I get a job after college. Helping w/ their retirement and such. Yes.. there ARE some spoiled *******s that take everything for granted... but there are ppl who get things and are also decent people. My 17 year old friend just got an '03 Cobra that he didnt pay for 100% on his own. Am I mad? No... more props to the guy.
Quit w/ the damn controversy and talk about the Camaros guys.

ferocity02 - im the same way you are. My car is not paid off but I do make $300 car payments every month. I also pay for ALL my mods, gas money, and I pay insurance on an 87 s-10. My dad does cover the insurance on my car. But if I get a ticket, I pay the difference that it goes up. I do have a part/full time job. During school, I work 30 or so hours a week and during the summer i work 50 or so hours. Yea its not a normal job, its not a franchaise place or anything like most people. Its a family owned thing (not my family, but i think you guys get the picture), so that explains the hour situation. I dont wanna hear the stuff about you cant work more than 40 hours a week, bc thats bs. My paycheck would beg to differ. I bring in about $400 every 2 weeks, depending on the number of hours i work.

Originally posted by pan0phobik
Quit w/ the damn controversy and talk about the Camaros guys.
You got it!..............let's talk C A M A R O S :bow: --- not Mustangs?!:yuck:

I was just 17 when I first got my '81 Z28, and by the time I sold it when I was 18, it was a low 13 second car;)........and all I got were two minor speeding tickets, but imagine this --- only one accident, that was totally the fault of a 45 year old white male!!!:p (could have been my dad for goodness sake!:D). Sure young drivers may be stereotyped as "bad drivers", but anybody is capable of causing an accident, no matter the age:cool:.

If you're dead set on getting a V8 car, I'd really suggest sticking with an F-body (Camaro/Firebird). Like someone already mentioned, Mustangs sound mean, but they're more "show" than "go". A guy I work with has a '99 GT that only ran 14.5, and a guy at the track last Friday night was running 14.1 at best with an '01 (I think:confused: ) GT. Most LS1 Camaros are in the 13's bone stock;). Look around in some of the guys' signatures.........you'll see that even '98/'99 cars are running mid-low 13's, and my '02 only ran 14.0 last year?!:rolleyes: Since you are a little younger, get a '98 or '99, but you'll be more than happy with it!:) They're pretty amazing cars for the money if you ask me.

Originally posted by Gossco95
I wouldnt of minded a Dark Blue Metallic Camaro Z28 with Ground effects ;)

Camaro SS pics (http://camaroz28.cardomain.com/id/cerealtool228) [/B]


:D im 17 thats what i got:D

Originally posted by pan0phobik
I shouldn't have even said my age. I was curious about camaros. Not how people pay for them/buy them. I said my age because I was hoping people would give me cost-efficient solutions while still having a fun/reliable car. and So what if kids dont pay for their cars? Is it hurting you any? No.. Then why do you let it bother you so much? Yea i dont pay for everything I hvae either.. but I plan on repaying my parents greatly in the future after I get a job after college. Helping w/ their retirement and such. Yes.. there ARE some spoiled *******s that take everything for granted... but there are ppl who get things and are also decent people. My 17 year old friend just got an '03 Cobra that he didnt pay for 100% on his own. Am I mad? No... more props to the guy.
Quit w/ the damn controversy and talk about the Camaros guys.

They are all going to be fun and reliable.Some have touched on the differences in years.Like the 01-02s havin LS6 intakes and a little more power than 98-00s.
You just need to decide on the one that fits your budget and what trans you want.Low miles is good,overall condition of the car. do the checks to all systems of the car in question if it checks out and in your budget then its right for YOU. Get it,there is hardly any difference in all. And as soon as you get it you WILL get the MOD BUG:D (highly contagious) and it will be better and different anyway.

Your right age has nothin to do with it,but a price range would help.
At 17 I had a 67 Fairlane w/390ci 4sp posi,rolled that.Bought another identical rolled that one too what the hell life goes on...that must be why Aklaims insurance is so high:lol:

I am 18 and have a 2000 SS and it is awesome... 01 and 02 do have more power like everyone says, but thats when they are stock... throw on an ls6 manifold (main difference) and the 2000 has more power.... anyways you can read about the details in other posts... as long as its an ls1 its gonna fly

I'm 18 and have had my 2000 Z28 for a year now. Great car, but careful is the phrase used when driving it. The first day i had it i was driving to get some food with 3 other people in the car and sure enough the back came around going around a left turn, didnt hit anything or damage anything but from then i was scared ****less. After that i went out and played in the school parking lot while it was raining. Learned the limits of the car and had fun while doing it. Now i can push the limits when safe and have confidence in my control.

when you find one, run the vehicle id number first through any gm dealer....to be sure it is what it is.
when i bought my z28, i thought it was an ss...it had the hood scoop. i didn't know until later it was a z28.

but i wasn't mad. i was an idiot :rolleyes:

keep in mind, if you get an SS you'll need to afford replacement tires in the 275/17inch z-rated size. go to tirerack.com and see how much they run. z28's run on 245/16inch z-rated

kumho's are the cheapest i think

:)

If your going to go with a camaro or firebird, the 98-99 cars seem to be the best value for the money. Every once in a while I see a 97 C5 for under 20K too. If your going to go with an LS1 or an LT1 just be carefull. when I was 18 I thought I was on top of the world and nothing could hurt me, and I couldn't hurt anyone or anything. Now, I know Im not alone on that. Most young men feel the same way just out of high school. Becareful, be very very careful. These are high powered sports cars, not suv's, or compact economy cars. Whatever you choose, I hope you enjoy it, and you take care of it. These cars will last forver if you take good care of them.

anyone uwant....but itd be better to post this in the lounge......

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
No offense to anyone, but I think its funny that EVERY time the subject of age comes up, it seems like EVERY SINGLE TEENAGE KID out there who drives a LT1/LT4/LS1/LS6 has worked for a million summers and saved up every single penny their whole life and has their car COMPLETELY PAID OFF and pays for their OWN INSURANCE and their OWN MODS and everthing else...

...sorry but, at 16 and 17 and 18, i gotta say...

:bs:

I mean cmon...you guys arent impressing anyone

I wish my mommy and daddy would pay for my car/insurance/mods/etc...

But like I said, no offense, just my opinion. :cool:


honestly my parents paid for most of my car (like 10 out of 14K) because i worked my ass off in school and got a full ride to st johns next year.....i do however pay all my own insurance and ive paid for every single mod on my car (except rims were a grad present) if u wanna call me spoiled go ahead ur entitled to your opinion but considering i work a minimum wage job im proud of the tremendous amount of gas/insurance/mod money i put into my Z......

Nothing wrong with being spoiled, because i spoil my parents. I have over a 4.0 gpa throughout highschool, never get into any trouble, never talk back to my parents. If i were some punk kid whos parents just gave them a car just so they could have one then i wouldn't be proud of it. But i work my ass off in school, and work and my parents see this and reward me. The car is not in my name and it's actually theirs, i just drive it. Parents told me first speeding ticket i get and the car is taken away. I'm a good kid and my parents see this. If i talked back to my parents and did drugs, falied classes, didn't give a hoot about school then my parents wouldn't allow me to drive a car at all. I'm proud that their proud of me and care... And i do pay for anything i want to do to the car that is not normal, including mods. I even had to pay the extra $$ to put synthetic oil in it. But i don't mind because i work and have saved since i was a kid to have this dream car.

:rolleyes: No wonder all of us honest guys have such high insurance with all you crooks defraudng the insurance companies. you people see it as your defrauding the rest of us as well but you are.

As far as teenagers with V8 camaros, I don't care how much money you made or how well you did in high school, giving your kid a muscle car is not smart, it has nothing to do with money, people get killed because inmature teenagers, I don't care how mature you think your are, when you get into a race it can turn out bad in a hurry, just remember the brakes have their limits and if your doing 60, which can be reach in first gear and you only have 100 feet ahead of you, your not going to make it.

Some 16 and 17 year olds pay for their own car. Im 16, have been savin money for a few years, since I was like maybe 10? Something like that. By no means is my family rich, my dad maybe makes 50K a year. And whenever I come rollin up the street in my Convertable Z everyone thinks its dad's car. I dont blame 'em most 16 year olds cant afford one. I couldn't , so i did the next best thing, bought one that was totalled, did all the work myself, then got my uncle to spray the front clip for me since he is pretty good at painting. So ya ur right 99% of kids with a sports car didnt pay for it entirely theirselves 100%, but i worked my gnads off at my uncles grease monkey since i was jsut old enuf to vac out cars and now i have my own. And im not gunna :bs: you guys, I dont pay entirely for my insurance, my dad pays for about half of the payments for me, and since most young teens r on a budget, me as well , i have minimal coverage. Liability and Comprehensive ( I think thats theft coverage fire and stuff like that ) but ... No Collision ... And I have to say that my 6K was definatly well spent on my 14K mile car that was trashed when i bought it. I dont think it was rite to start bitchen ppl out cuz theyre young with a sports car.

I got my SS a couple months before I turned 18.

:thumb: good times

You say your looking for a cost effiecent solution, get a 98 Z28. They are usually the cheapest because that is the first year they used the LS1 insurance should be a little cheaper too. I would get an insurance quote before you look any further, insurance is pretty bad on these cars.

O and 1 more thing. You say taht giving a teen a fast ride is ridiculous becasue no matter how mature we think we are , were not. When I was 12 i got a LT250 Quadracer , the thing is a rocket , everyone said ima kill myself on it , DID I ? No because I was mature about it and no my limits ( Not saying a crusie on the pavment with a ATV never happens ;) lol ) Never even tipped/wrecked the thing , and i do occasionaly race it now up my cabin at Marienville Power Sports ... But at any rate, just becasue something is fast doesnt mean were gonna be immature about it. Im sure you have floored your car at one point or another , and have speeded at times ? So who are any of you guys to be lecturing about maturity , practice what you preach. O and im a honor student. I get 4.0's and am a straight A student aside from German and English which i get B's in ... Gotta love weighted classes tho to accododate for stupid **** we shouldnt have to take in school like languange courses ... lol

Originally posted by pan0phobik:
I shouldn't have even said my age. I was curious about camaros. Not how people pay for them/buy them. I said my age because I was hoping people would give me cost-efficient solutions while still having a fun/reliable car. and So what if kids dont pay for their cars? Is it hurting you any? No.. Then why do you let it bother you so much?
It's nothing personal, it does bother me when a kid gets a car with so much power.
Every young person on this site will get in here and talk about how responsible he and 10 other young people he knows are. Some will be speaking the truth, but the vast majority of young drivers are truthfully ignorant drivers and honestly think in their minds that they are safe. I was one of them and can finally admit it now. It is a form of denial for young folks.
I don't care if your folks buy you 10 Geo Metros, but they are irresponsible if they aid you in getting a missile. Young folks drive their Metros etc... stupid enough through my neighborhood to kill my kids if they get a chance, I shudder to think about the same kids getting ahold of an LT1, much less an LS1 car.
I work part time with my sheriff's dept and end up dealing with good kids way too much that just have a stupid moment showing off with cars. It's too much of a temptation for the best of kids.
I don't care, get a blown, nitroused, and turboed LS1... but if you hit one of my family members doing something stupid you might end up with a severe case of 'lead poisoning'.
Seriously, good luck with whatever you do. Anyone with an LS1 car is a lucky person and will enjoy it much. Just don't hurt anyone or do anything to drive my insurance up.
Dave

Dude you guys are so wrong to think that a ls1 camaro is going to make someone go fast. Come down to San Diego for a couple weeks and listen to the countless street racing deaths from youngsters to grown ups, driving everything from little honda's and acuras to trucks and old cars. Its not the car that kills people it is the person behind the wheel. Last week a 23 year old killed himself in his acura integra going over 100mph on the freeway. Lost control and bent himself around a poll. The week before that a 16 year old girl was driving at close to 100 mph in her Jeep when she went off the side of the road and into a ditch, leaving herself dead. How fast you get to 100 is a slight factor, but any car can loose control, any car can go over 100 mph, its the person behind the wheel making the decisions to go over 100mph or leave the line like a rocket only to kill himself 100 feet down the road. For as many irresponsible kids driving now days few have so called rocket cars, but thats not the point, them making the decision to go that fast is. If you are responsible and know the limits then get whatever you want.

When i was 16 i drove a 97 jetta for a year. I was way more irresponsible in that thing because it didnt have so much power and felt sturdy, gunning it off the line, racing stupid people, florring it around corners, etc. Now that i have a car that i repect for its good looks and power i drive no where close to how i used to. Its all in the person, car might have a little to do with it but a fast car will only kill the idiot faster, slow car will take them a little longer because they will feel somewhat secure when in truth they are not.

Originally posted by XCES PWR
Dude you guys are so wrong to think that a ls1 camaro is going to make someone go fast.........................Its not the car that kills people it is the person behind the wheel.
Very good point;). Name 1 car that isn't capable of going over 60 - 80 mph???:think: Hell, even my 1st car (POS VW, 1.6L, 0 to 60 in 10 blocks:rolleyes: ) was capable of doing 100 mph..........it just took forever and a day to get there!:D If someone is going to pull stupid "stunts", they'll do it regardless of the car:cool:.

Originally posted by Capn Pete
If someone is going to pull stupid "stunts", they'll do it regardless of the car:cool:. True, I have had more near death experiences in my V6 then in the SS.

I feel cheated, I had a 64 Bug in HS. Didn't get my 70 SS until I was 19, almost 20.

Actually, I'd rather see a young guy in a LS1 car than an older guy or woman that drives it like its a Honda.

Originally posted by XCES PWR
Dude you guys are so wrong to think that a ls1 camaro is going to make someone go fast.

People buy trucks to haul stuff.

People buy vans to haul people.

People buy Z28s to haul @$$.

Anyways, enough argueing over how immature we are and stuff. Back to his original question of what to buy. Money aside, Id say definatly buy a SS, try to get the Collectors Edition. I figure your young and will be on a tight budget for a few years with colloege or w/e SO ... Buy the SS , possibly the collectors edition $$$ providing, they hold their value better then a Z does. Then say 5 years from now when you'd have enough money for another car ( Assuming you probly wont get a new car anytime soon after because you'll be at college ) you could sell your SS or SS CE for alot more trade-in value then jsut a Z28. Also , if you got the collectors Edition , i forget which year and how many , you might decide to keep it as a classic... Theyre awesome cars and id imagine they'd hold thier value 10 , 15 , maybe even 20 years down the road seeings how the F-bodys r discontinued. If you aint planning on keeping it for a long time though then jsut buy a Z28 , the money yo'll save not going SS could get you into low 12's ... and if your jsut getting a Z the year doesnt really matter. I think its the 99 or 00 and up that have LS6 intake manifold , no biggie , and correct me if im wrong but the 98's ? Had higher poundage injectors so if you were to juice it thats that much more $$$ you could save in upgrades as the fuel delivery would be fine for a begginer nitrous system ( like under 150 on stock engine ) ... O and Corsa Cat-Backs sound bad ass ... buy one as your first mod.

To those who actually admitted to not paying for your entire car yourself ---> :bow:

To those who are committing INSURANCE FRAUD and still claiming you pay for everything concerning your car ----> :rolleyes: Thanks for driving everyone else's insurance costs up :mad:

And to those lying about it to impress a bunch of people on a message board ----> you are way too lame to even get a crappy Smily.


Seriously tho guys, I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but I guess all I am saying is this...

A.) EVERYONE thinks they are an excellent, perfect driver

B.) Nearly EVERYONE is NOT (myself included)...with maybe only the exception being professionals

C.) The younger the person, the more invincible the person thinks they are.

And I agree that the car doesnt make people drive fast/dangerously....but there is sorta a reason these cars + insurance on these cars is more than a teenager can afford. If a young person is given a car, they do not respect and appreciate it, but if they have worked and saved for it ON THEIR OWN or mostly on their own, they have a much greater respect for what they have EARNED.

Take this kid for example
spoiled SRT-4 kid (http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=2475497&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Given a $20k, moderately fast car for FREE, and decides its not good enough and wants to convince his parents to pay the extra for a Supra :rolleyes:

Anyway...sorry for the long post! lol

:cool:

Nicely Said , couldnt have said it better myself. O and not that you were flamming earlier but just so you no, I DID pay for my own totalled Z28, and i DID pay for all the parts to fix it. And i pay half of my insurance, also i dropped collision so its affordable lol ... but anyways , yea great point bout the Supra kid lol ... stupid Ricer gunna get :Owned: one a these days by a Z ...

...looks like srt-4 boy is getting the beat-down! hah-hah

but yeah, when i first got my car i nearly spun out at a corner

on the freeway at 50mph, i gunned it while the road was wet and started fishtailing. nearly slammed into a water-filled barrier

again...i was an idiot :rolleyes:


i'm glad i didn't get this car until i was 31. i mostly likely would've wrecked it had i got it earlier :cry:

17, bought my car myslef, had a 96 camaro, have a 85 camaro, and a 86 motne carlo ss :D you can do anything if you put youre mind to it lol

i think you should tell US what kind of camaro you should get. If you have a lead foot, this is your poison. you will be past 120mph before the second hand can move a quarter of the way around your watch.

unfortunatly, driving inflates a teenagers sense of self esteem.
Your the badest ass snmabitch till that panic situation when you freak out and freeze like a deer in headlights.

anyone can go 120mph. sooner or later it WILL catch up to you.


Good luck with it. hopefully you are mature enough to understand that speeding through traffic is not cool.

Regards-

Trey
18 years old
95 Z28
383 stroker

03 silverado
Z71 extended cab

i have paid for everything on my car, i got it when i was 18. i just turned 20 last month. everything is in my name, car insurance and car payments for my loan. i got a job as an apprentice electrcian in grade 10 and worked 2 summers and then a year after i graduated. saved up for about 1/2 of the car and then took out a loan for the rest. the car is 100% in my name for everything. so it isn't near impossible for any kid to do it. have not missed any payments, and don't plan too. i am lucky though because i live at home till im done my apprenticeship for free, so i pay no rent. :)
i baby my car, i don't want to have to fix it cause it would probably sit in the garage for a while while i saved up money to fix it :)

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z


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I mean cmon...you guys arent impressing anyone

I wish my mommy and daddy would pay for my car/insurance/mods/etc...



If it makes you feel better I got my Z when I was 18 and have been financed by my parents. I am 21, and owe them about 12k on the car. (1st 13thou paid off !!!) Also owe about 4k on the cherokee... Hey, at least the wrangler is owned outright!

I agree... noone owns theirs outright and pays for the insurance and stuff... just too much $$ when you are 16-18. Had I bought a 97 Z (in 2000) I would just about own it outright now, but thats not what I was going for.

As far as buying a LS1 car...be careful. Before buying my Z I had a 98 mustang GT, and before that a 72 442 (clone), so i had some experience with powerful rear wheel drive cars. Even then, my parents were very hesitant to purchase the Z... it is a lot more car than many 18 year olds can handle. PLease please please... learn as much as possible about them, how they handle/accelerate in a safe legal manner. Dont view this as a lecture... I am only 21, but have had twice as mnay years behind the wheel. I have seen a 98 SS wrapped around a tree 6' off the ground becasue someone couldnt handle the car. It happens...
I suggest if you buy one take it and your mom/dad to a few autocross events and maybe the ol 1320 for some learning about the car. These are safe outlets to learn momre about your car.
Good luck! These cars are a blast!

YO DUDE YOU NEED TO GET AN LT1 THEIR CHEAPER IN ALL KINDS OF WAYS. SOUND BAD ASS COMPARED TO AN LS1, LT1 ARE BAD SOUNDING AND WITH THE MONEY YOU SAVE YOU CAN MOD THE CAR AND BEAT LS1's AND INSURANCE IS a lot CHEAPER AND THEY WON'T BREAK DOWN AS MUCH AS THE LS1 WILL. I HAD A 95 Z28 WITH 175000 MILES THAT RAN BETTER THEN MOST CAMARO'S OUT THERE BUT I SOLD IT TO GET A 6SPD AND LT1 WILL HOLD UP TO MODS AS TO LS1 THEY LIKE TO STAY STOCK CAUSE MODS ON A LS1 WILL NOT WITHSTAND LS1 LIKE TO STAY HEATHLY STOCK

Originally posted by Dmx4ever3
YO DUDE YOU NEED TO GET AN LT1 THEIR CHEAPER IN ALL KINDS OF WAYS. SOUND BAD ASS COMPARED TO AN LS1, LT1 ARE BAD SOUNDING AND WITH THE MONEY YOU SAVE YOU CAN MOD THE CAR AND BEAT LS1's AND INSURANCE IS a lot CHEAPER AND THEY WON'T BREAK DOWN AS MUCH AS THE LS1 WILL. I HAD A 95 Z28 WITH 175000 MILES THAT RAN BETTER THEN MOST CAMARO'S OUT THERE BUT I SOLD IT TO GET A 6SPD AND LT1 WILL HOLD UP TO MODS AS TO LS1 THEY LIKE TO STAY STOCK CAUSE MODS ON A LS1 WILL NOT WITHSTAND LS1 LIKE TO STAY HEATHLY STOCK

the LS1 makes the LT1 look like it was built by a knuckle neanderthol (sp?) with a rock and a block of iron.


Parts costs(especailly bolt ons) are getting extremely cheap, down to LT1 level. Head porting prices are down a good bit, headers are the same price, lids are cheap, catbacks are the same, gears are the same, converters are the same....

:bow: LS1 :bow:

you may be partial to the LT1 because you own it and like it, but come on- dont kid yourself. TBI<TPI<LT1<LS1

its like arguing 03 cobra vs LS1

LS1 is awesome, but 03 cobra just has more potential and faster outa the box:bow: We all love the LS1, but lets not loose grip with reality. staring at a blue oval isn't THAT bad :p


Just for the record, i was a moron behind the wheel of my 110hp "learning" car. I didn't feel the need to prove anything in my Z28 though. i also grew up a bit.

and quit griping about his parents buying him a car. If you could afford it, i'm sure you wouldn't mind buying your kids a car. and i'm sure you wouldn't complain if you got a free car. there is more than one way to teach responsibility.