mini-ram/stealth ram

which one is better and why? i dont think i fully understand either

Here is an explanation of the mini ram.
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124518

OK now I feel like an idiot, I just realized you are the same guy from the last post.

lol thats why you can delete your posts
yeah i more or less understand what the mini-ram is just not the difference between it and the stealth ram because i dont know what the stealth ram is.

I believe the StealthRam is basically a ported out TPI, with a bigger TB and a shorter runner design so smoth out the power curve. So the car doesnt take a crap at 4800 rpms like the stick TPI does.

Here is the Holley Stealth Ram (http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/SR/f91503001.html).

As you can see, its quite a bit different than the MiniRam. A lot cheaper to buy, too.

Originally posted by Dirt Reynolds
Here is the Holley Stealth Ram (http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/SR/f91503001.html).

As you can see, its quite a bit different than the MiniRam. A lot cheaper to buy, too.

I thought when the stealth ram first came out you could buy the set-up and bolt it onto your TPI car for like $400. But I was looking in SUmmit the other day and they were asking 2 grand for the set-up. But that was for ecm and everything. Can you still buy jsut the stuff you need to bolt onto an already TPI car cheaply and where can it be purchased?

Car craft tested the stealth this month. I wasn't to impressed with the gains, especially for the price.

Check out this month's GM High Tech Performance magazine. The Stealth Ram install made a lot of difference on an IROC-Z they tested, from a 12.93 with ported stock lower intake and plenum, with SLP runners, to a 12.36 with the Stealth Ram. Bear in mind, the cam wasn't even a roller (218/228 flat-tappet). The Stealth Ram works best on a modified engine; ie heads ,cam and so on. The long runner TPI works best on milder engine that wants more mid range torque; which is the forte of the TPI system over everything else (albeit at the expense of top end power).

It boils down to what you want the car to do. SR gives more top end charge, but less mid range torque. Ultimately, the SR will make the most power from a modified engine.

Yeah I think your right it wasn't CC it was GMHTP.
And TPIS's 350 with the almost exact same mods with a mini-ram ran a 11.70 @ 126.55. It's cheaper and faster. I'd go TPIS.

No you are right - CC also did a story on the SR install, and no it wasnt excactly an impressive gain in their case, because they used a stock engine. The SR works best on a modified engine (heads,cam).

will a stelth ram fit under a stock hood

i like my mini-ram but it isn't as cheap.....if i couldn't have gotten a MR i definately would have went with a SR.

:)

The miniram is only 895.00 plus 355.00 for the fuel rail kit which includes everything you need to install it. That doesn't seem like a lot to me.

Originally posted by stubbs
The miniram is only 895.00 plus 355.00 for the fuel rail kit which includes everything you need to install it. That doesn't seem like a lot to me.

A stealth ram is about $500 installed if you do it yourself....unless you have a larger dist. model F-body then it can get expensive because you have to have a small cap dist....Also those people out there with modified motors that are having serious traction problem's because Stock TPI intakes make all their power at about 3000 RPM will love this intake because you can launch the car a lot harder since the power band is higher in the RPM range....BUT if you want tire shredding low RPM fun, stick with a stock type setup, port the base and plenum, through some runners and a throttle body on it and no one will beat you in a burn-out contest....Oh and yes the SR will clear the hood in a Camaro and it will fit a Trans-am if you cut the bracing out of the hood, but It's really close

can you buy a s/r with out the computer and harness and just the throttle body,and upper and lower intake and injectors.
if so where?

Not that I have seen. You can buy the large runners and big mouth intake from TPIS. Its not as good as the miniram but its good for 32 RWHP, then port the stock plenum. You can get both for 850-900 bucks and they are direct swaps.

Yes you can buy just the intake....GM High Tech gave the part number, and if you call around I'm sure you will find that anyone that sells holley parts can order it for you....GMHTP got their's from Summit

i got a 383 with the stock tpi on it right now(cash flow).
and stock injectors. i have been looking into both systems.
and i dont need the harness so i was just wondering.

Ya but summit wants 2 grand for it, thats f-n nuts!

Originally posted by stubbs
Ya but summit wants 2 grand for it, thats f-n nuts!
NONONONONONONONO.....Summit has the intake with computer, harness and all for 2 grand.....They don't have just the intake advertised, but if you call you can get a price for just the intake, and that's what part number GMHTP had in the article....It's like $400

ordered mine from thunder racing it was within a few dollars of summit. a little over $500

The car in the article picked up 4 tenths in the 1/4. From experience in the 15-low 13 sec 1/4 every tenth improvement is worth 10 HP so that is an estimated 40 HP gain. The TPIS is 95 HP at the rear wheels dynoed. I really couldn't justify anything but the miniram with those numbers. Granted I want every HP cost be damned thats just my personality. If I'm spending cash I want the best, otherwise I am gonna be pissed I didn't when I lose that 1st race.

Does the strealth ram look familiar to anyone else? All Holley did was use a old design tunnel ram intake, took off the carb plenium (aka tunnel) and replaced it w/ a dry plenium, and added some bungs for the injectors. So basically it is an oldschool carburated intake designed back in the 60's or early 70's that they put the mechanicals on to make it FI.

Originally posted by stubbs
The car in the article picked up 4 tenths in the 1/4. From experience in the 15-low 13 sec 1/4 every tenth improvement is worth 10 HP so that is an estimated 40 HP gain. The TPIS is 95 HP at the rear wheels dynoed. I really couldn't justify anything but the miniram with those numbers. Granted I want every HP cost be damned thats just my personality. If I'm spending cash I want the best, otherwise I am gonna be pissed I didn't when I lose that 1st race.

I agree whole heartedly. Why buy middle of the line parts if you know youre going to end up buying the better ones at some point along the ways. Wait the extra bit of time, save your money and that way you dont end up wasting your money

Originally posted by doug791
I agree whole heartedly. Why buy middle of the line parts if you know youre going to end up buying the better ones at some point along the ways. Wait the extra bit of time, save your money and that way you dont end up wasting your money

True, but if you have a decently modded motor and no need to do all out the SR should be a nice alternative....it's like middle ground for those of us who can't afford a thousand dollar intake system, but already have some other mods done

Hey guys, might stray a little from the topic, but has anyone tried Street Ram??? I was looking at it and thought it would be a great upgrade for the stock system.... Just lookin for some info....

Will