And you all thought I was crazy for putting my car on a diet :)

Stock 132k mile lt1 motor...stock suspension and drivetrain, on stock wheels and greasy GSC tires... only mods are !cat, !muffler, LPE CAI, and some diet magic...

13.21 @104 :D
1.9 60'

TW does the happy dance :)

And then, we all need to bow our heads and have a moment of silence for Chad's car... :cry:

Nice! Hey you might need to teach me a trick or two mine needs to loose a few... Then Ill put it steriods ;)

Tell us what your secret

Originally posted by TrouserSnake
Tell us what your secret

no real secret... just honest weight loss. Pulled all the stock seats and installed a Jaz racing seat. The usual stuff is gone...jack, spare, etc. Also pulled the cat and muffler and replaced them with straight pipes for weight savings an free flowing gases. I pulled the AIR, a/c and ALL related parts, heater core, HVAC assembly and controls. The heavy rubber pad under the dash cap is gone too.

I think thats about it. pretty much everything else is stock. So I think with some more creative dieting and some good air it's gonna be tickling the 13.0s :D

You forgot the 1/2 of firewall you pulled. Poor chads car:cry: My 1st time racing I got 8 runs in with Mike and Becca, best time was 13.76 @ 102.46. That's with a stock car, that's not bad is it?

Originally posted by Yomama
You forgot the 1/2 of firewall you pulled. Poor chads car:cry: My 1st time racing I got 8 runs in with Mike and Becca, best time was 13.76 @ 102.46. That's with a stock car, that's not bad is it?

the half a firewall is the HVAC stuff I mentioned :)

Your times are pretty good for never having raced before anywhere...and with a 6 speed :)

Originally posted by Timberwolf

And then, we all need to bow our heads and have a moment of silence for Chad's car... :cry: Anyone want to explain what happened? I hope it isnt bad:(

BTW...good numbers Mike, definetly a good job on the old girl.

Q

Originally posted by dreamer1q
Anyone want to explain what happened? I hope it isnt bad:(

BTW...good numbers Mike, definetly a good job on the old girl.

Q

Scattered the driveshaft on the first green light of the night :( He had to leave the car there. I am supposed to see if I can line up a tow dolly for the morning, but I can't get ahold of the guy that owns it tonight, and I have to be in Ann Arbor by 10 am tomorrow.

Anyone else that can meet him there and give him a tow back to kzoo? He needs to do it ealry because he is supposed to leave for saginaw after lunch I think

I have the stock car trailer sitting in my driveway. I cant make it down there to get it, but your more then welcome to use it. Just come pick it up. Sorry to hear that Chad. Let me know if you want me to find you a new shaft. I know where a few are hiding;)

Q

Originally posted by dreamer1q
I have the stock car trailer sitting in my driveway. I cant make it down there to get it, but your more then welcome to use it. Just come pick it up. Sorry to hear that Chad. Let me know if you want me to find you a new shaft. I know where a few are hiding;)

Q

I need a 1le shaft if you can dig one up :) my car vibrates like mad now with these gears once it gets up around 90 or so.

BTW, how did the install go tonight?

Originally posted by Timberwolf
I need a 1le shaft if you can dig one up :) my car vibrates like mad now with these gears once it gets up around 90 or so.

BTW, how did the install go tonight? All I know of are the aluminum shafts. I know where a few of them are located.

As for the install, we got everything back together except the drivers side header. Seems the new oil pan and the header dont like each other. I will pick up a new plug for that side of the pan and a bigger hammer tomorrow;) Should have it done tomorrow sometime. Just need to finish the header and stuff it back in the car. From there it is all easy stuff.

Thanks to Ben and Chris for the help. Much appreicated as always. :bow:

Q

Hey Chad,
If you crap out on a way to get your car. Give me a call. I'm all set up to transport f-bodys to and from the track:)
In other words my truck and trailer are ready to go if you need them.

Thanks guys. I am getting ready to call U-haul to find one of the two wheel dollies to get it back home. I've got the Yukon to pull it with, I just need to get something to put the car on. I was underneath it last night in the dark removing all the carnage.

Let's just say that the driveshaft loop is a VERY good investment for everybody. A front loop at a minimum and preferably a back one too. My 3 1/2" Dynotech Engineering driveshaft that I just paid to have shortened when the car was at Speedworks is now in 4 pieces.

This was on Nitto's and an easy launch with the Street Twin.

What you have to watch with a dolly and a Firebird is the nose. It will hit the dolly before the tires get to the ramps. Maybe take some boards to roll the car up on prior to the ramps?
My offer still stands. I can go get it with the trailer if you want.

Chad, I also have my aluminum driveshaft here that you could use. It is a extra, and then you could drive her home. Give me a beep if you need it.

Q

Originally posted by AL SS590 M6
What you have to watch with a dolly and a Firebird is the nose. It will hit the dolly before the tires get to the ramps. Maybe take some boards to roll the car up on prior to the ramps?
My offer still stands. I can go get it with the trailer if you want.

Actually I just jacked the car up and put stands under it and then backed the dolly under the car. It worked really good. I will post a picture of the driveshaft and of the car hooked to the Yukon.

... and I'll say it again... ALUMINUM DRIVE SHAFTS ARE NOT MADE FOR DRAG RACING! Sure... they'll hold up for AWHILE, but not like a steel shaft. If your gonna spend the money, buy a LIGHTENED steel shaft!

By the way TW... Redbird went over the scale at Milan with me 1/2 gas, helmet, coat, everything but the bottle at 3390 #s. You gotz nice times too, on a tired old LT1. Those are LS1 numbers.

Redbird probably would have been lighter had I had an ALUMINUM driveshaft but I still have the steel stocker. :)

Chad... Sorry to hear of your damage, put your old steel shaft back in! M6's just shock the poop out of the whole drivetrain, especially strong ones that hook! Us A4 guyz get away with alot more!

HInk (feelin' Chads pain, happy for the 'wolf') :death: :cool:

Originally posted by Redbird
... and I'll say it again... ALUMINUM DRIVE SHAFTS ARE NOT MADE FOR DRAG RACING! Sure... they'll hold up for AWHILE, but not like a steel shaft. If your gonna spend the money, buy a LIGHTENED steel shaft!

Chad... Sorry to hear of your damage, put your old steel shaft back in! M6's just shock the poop out of the whole drivetrain, especially strong ones that hook! Us A4 guyz get away with alot more!

HInk (feelin' Chads pain, happy for the 'wolf') :death: :cool:

Either the aluminum ones are really expensive or I got screwed again at Modern Musclecar. This darn driveshaft was $429, I will now get one of the Denny's Nitrous Ready Driveshafts.

Hink, I can't put the steel one back in because I don't have it and with the 12 bolt in the car the original ones won't fit.

Here are some pictures:

Car On Dolly (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cbeebe/Towing/CarOnDollySmall.JPG)

Close Up On Dolly (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cbeebe/Towing/CloseUpOnDollySmall.JPG)

Yukon & Car (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cbeebe/Towing/Yukon&CarSmall.JPG)

Driveshaft #1 (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cbeebe/Towing/Shaft1.JPG)

Driveshaft #2 (http://pws.chartermi.net/~cbeebe/Towing/Shaft2.JPG)

Damn I was right behine you in the burn out box. Boy was that an odd noise when it broke lose.:eek:

Yup, it's a horrible, unmistakable noise. I have it on tape too. I wish I hadn't stopped the tape before they pushed it away, but it's less humiliating for the car that way. It was pretty cool to watch though Chad! Think of it as a testament to hte power you're putting down. :)

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
Speaking of power.....how much does it take to twist an aluminum driveshaft like that? ;)

I am only putting 349 (Mustang Dyno) hp to the rear wheels, but that was the first time on the track with the Street Twin.

Originally posted by Grover
I am only putting 349 (Mustang Dyno) hp to the rear wheels, but that was the first time on the track with the Street Twin. Hey, look on the bright side.....at the very least you know the street twin is holding REEEEEal good.;)

FYI, this is not a good thing. I get mine fixed, you break yours. Lets stop this NOW!:p We will never get a chance to run each other.:D

Q

I know, it's not like I broke it on purpose. The Denny's Nitrous Driveshaft will be ordered sometime this week.

wow, bummer, sorry to hear about it!!! that alum shaft looks pretty thin walled! darn engineers aren't good for much, well most anyway...

seems like the street twin is a pretty wicked peice...i've heard of alot of messed up tranny's, rearends, and now driveshafts....hummm, guess i better get everything else beefed up before i order mine!

good luck getting back on the strip quick!

Just so you know. There is a 4 week wait on the Denny's. I called to check on getting mine shortened for the T400. 2 weeks just to get mine shortened. Which I cant do until the trans gets here & I measure. If you need to use the Denny's I got, you can. You know where I live. I'll only be here til Tue.

Guys have broken aluminum driveshafts with stock cars.

Therefore, you should trade me for my steel one :D

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
Speaking of power.....how much does it take to twist an aluminum driveshaft like that? My LT1 isn't close to ripping one apart, but when do you have to start worrying?

Originally posted by Black Sunshine/ 00SS
Just so you know. There is a 4 week wait on the Denny's. I called to check on getting mine shortened for the T400. 2 weeks just to get mine shortened. Which I cant do until the trans gets here & I measure. If you need to use the Denny's I got, you can. You know where I live. I'll only be here til Tue. I know a certian:rolleyes: automotive shop that makes and cuts down or lenghtens driveshafts. And they are usually done the same day.

Q

Mike,

So how much does your car weigh now? I haven't taken any weight out from under the hood yet, except for removing the cruise control, but it's coming soon. VFN hood, Hawker battery,
!AC, !heater, !EGR, !AIR, !headlights, SLP headers, and maybe a Kmember.

Right now I've removed about 375 lbs. from the car, but added a rollbar that I didn't have a chance to weigh.

Going to Grattan in the morning for a track day. Wahoo!

If any of your west siders want to come out, they're doing some touring laps for people who haven't registered for the track day. The touring laps are around lunchtime. I'll be the guy in the dark green '94 Firebird with black ZR1 wheels.

http://www.grattanraceway.com

not sure what it weighs. I have pulled a LOT of crap outta there, but there is still plenty to go. I may go weigh it this week.
I'm gonna leave the headlights, as I want to drive to and from the track.

I'm debating the next step. I have some more weight I can pull if I want... I am tempted to see if I can get it in the 12s with the stock motor and just creative dieting and tuning.

Right now I am just using the hypertech.bin tunercat file that Q has posted on his board. I forgot my cable so I didn't get to log my runs at the track and see where I have room for improvement.

But like I said, it was getting faster on EVERY run until they stopped test and tune...I think it has more in it.

Seems like a lot of ppl i know are stripping out there cars. A friend of mine has a 1st gen RX-7 (2800lb stock i think, must be nice:mad: ), its probably under 2000lbs now, its a little faster than stock now:D. I believe when new they were 17 sec cars (12a, non-turbo), last time he went out to the track it went 15s. This is with the ALL STOCK motor, just weight savings. Next time he'll be in the low 14s, most likely, yet to do any performance mods, just additional wight he's shaved.

Mike, I didn't get your 13.21 on tape, but I did get your 13.29 pass and several others. I have alot of f-body video from that night. :)

Timberwolf, think you could stop by this coming weekend and help me get my car back together after taking the AC out??? You have mentioned it a few times and it sounds like you know what you are doing.

Pete, can you dub me a copy of that tape?

Notstock, possibly... Let me see what's going on this weekend. What day you think?

Doesn't matter what day, I was thinking Saturday just so I could have anther day incase stuff doesnt work out. I am taking the engine out, so today I got almost everything out of the way, and took the compressor right out. Just seems like a waste of time and money trying to put it back on the new engine, since it doesn't even work right now. What day would work for you?

Originally posted by notstock4long
Doesn't matter what day, I was thinking Saturday just so I could have anther day incase stuff doesnt work out. I am taking the engine out, so today I got almost everything out of the way, and took the compressor right out. Just seems like a waste of time and money trying to put it back on the new engine, since it doesn't even work right now. What day would work for you?

not sure yet. do you have the 1le delete pulley? You'll need it to run the accessory belt unless you ditch the power steering too

How does that pulley go on? It doesn't seem like there would be anything for it to attach to. I thought I just needed a smaller serpentine belt.

Originally posted by notstock4long
How does that pulley go on? It doesn't seem like there would be anything for it to attach to. I thought I just needed a smaller serpentine belt.

the pulley comes with a bracket that bolts to the holes not used by the a/c compressor anymore. even uses the same bolts.
It's about $40 from gmpartsdirect.com

Okay, I guess I will have to buy that too. What other stuff can come off with the AC? Seems like there are about 100 hoses just for that. I also won't need the little radiator that sits in front of the big one right? But then how does the big one hold in place?

Originally posted by notstock4long
Okay, I guess I will have to buy that too. What other stuff can come off with the AC? Seems like there are about 100 hoses just for that. I also won't need the little radiator that sits in front of the big one right? But then how does the big one hold in place?

If I can get up there this weekend I will show you a bunch of tricks, depending on how far you want to go with your diet plan :)

What are your plans for the car? Want to keep heat or not? There is a lot more weight that can be removed when you ditch the heater core and a/c core, all the ductwork, the blower motor, the plenum, airbags, etc

The a/c condensor comes out easily and the radiator is still held in place by the core support cover just as before

Well, I think thats about all I want to do for weight reduction now, although I don't really need heat either...:D Right now my plans are to just get the car running. My new engine should be here tomorrow, and I want to start on it soon. You don't happen to have a happy hooker by any chance do you?

Is the black pump on the drivers side that bolts to the front of the engine part of the AC system?

happy hooker? is that like a purple horny?

dirvers side pump is the AIR pump

LOL, the happy hooker just bolts to the fuel rails or whatever and makes the engine easier to pull. Let me know what day this weekend you might be available when you find out.

Originally posted by Timberwolf:
Pete, can you dub me a copy of that tape? Sure. Do you want just the 13.29 run, all your runs, all f-body runs, or the whole tape?

Originally posted by TheNovaMan
Sure. Do you want just the 13.29 run, all your runs, all f-body runs, or the whole tape?

whatever is easiet for you man! don't put too much effort into it...so if it's easier to do the whole tape and just let it run, that's fine

Then, I'll get a copy of my breakage from Mike.

Actually I can make you your very own copy! I didn't get the track guys pushing it back leaving driveshaft chunks all over though. :(

That would be cool Pete, Laura was upset that she didn't get to see me break the car.

Sure thing. Did you notice how similar your aluminum DS break was to Derty's aluminum DS break? :think:

I remember Steve breaking his, I'll have to get in touch with him and find out what type his was.

Originally posted by Grover
I remember Steve breaking his, I'll have to get in touch with him and find out what type his was. As far as I know his was factory at the time. Seems I remember him saying that, but dont quote me.

Q

Yup, I'm pretty sure his was stock, and I'm positive it was aluminum. You can check out the carnage at Derty's website (http://www.derty.org/mishaps/driveshaft.htm).

Hey Chad, Jon, and Becca...does this lookat least a LITTLE better than friday night?

http://www.sixtyninecamaro.com/images/94Z28.jpg


There is still a haze of pollen on it that you can see in the picture... I think I need a california duster or something for the daily cleanup.

It looks a lot better than it did on Friday!!

Originally posted by Grover
It looks a lot better than it did on Friday!!

Damn well better for all the time I put into it :)

Picked up a California duster...removes that pollen nicely. :)

Originally posted by Red89GTA
Seems like a lot of ppl i know are stripping out there cars. A friend of mine has a 1st gen RX-7 (2800lb stock i think, must be nice:mad: ), its probably under 2000lbs now, its a little faster than stock now:D. I believe when new they were 17 sec cars (12a, non-turbo), last time he went out to the track it went 15s. This is with the ALL STOCK motor, just weight savings. Next time he'll be in the low 14s, most likely, yet to do any performance mods, just additional wight he's shaved.

1st gens were between 2400-2450 depending on tranny and options. I had an 82.

Hey Chad, Jon, and Becca...does this lookat least a LITTLE better than friday night?

Ah... much better! I went through the wash on Monday... still had some shoe polish after everything dried!

Is that the same car? LOL:D Yes that LOTS better!! So when is the next outing?

Originally posted by Yomama
Is that the same car? LOL:D Yes that LOTS better!! So when is the next outing?

Well, I was hoping for tomorrow night again, but once again the weather is questionable