3.8 into high 13's low 14's??

Say i get this Black 98 V6..what would i need to get it to run high 13's to even mid 14's? i want to stay N/A no N20. i imagine itd take a whole lot but im 16 so ive got time...they run what 15.5 stock so id figure to start....
-bf DR
-full exhaust
-SFC
-LCA
help me out i know nothing about V6's!

You will need a whole lot more than bf DR, full exhaust, SFC, LCA,
to even think of 13's. With those mods you will be running low 15's probably. 3.8's run low 16's, high 15's. You are on the right tract though, you will need traction, exhaust is a good start, and stiffining up the suspension is a great idea. I would also say intake. If you want to stay NA, then i recomend a cam.

Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
3.8's run low 16's, high 15's.
:rolleyes: Yea, the 3.8s with crappy drivers and low gears.

Yea, the 3.8s with crappy drivers and low gears.

Well i guess you are also saying that most 3.8 drivers are indeed crappy drivers from your comment? Because yet again, most 3.8's run stock high 15's, low 16's.


But then again, you run a 14.89 with these mods?
STOCK PERFORMANCE-APPEARANCE PKGS:
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3.42 GEAR RATIO, LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, REAR DISC BRAKES, GROUND EFFX, T-TOPS, CHROME 16" WHEELS & 235-55-16" GOODYEAR TIRES.

PERFORMANCE MODIFICATIONS:
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HYPERTECH 160* THERMOSTAT, WHISPER AIR INDUCTION LID + RAM AIR KIT, K&N AIR FILTER, REMOVED MAF SCREEN, O2 SIMULATOR, CATCO 3" HI-FLOW CAT CONVERTER, SUMMIT 3" CUTOUT, FLOWMASTER 3" CAT-BACK EXHAUST, HOOKER 3" DUAL TIPS, SPRINT XTREME SPRINGS, BMR STRUT BRACE, LOWER CONTROL ARMS + RELOCATION BRACKETS. FUTURE MODIFICATIONS ARE COMIN.


So after all of those mods you are coming out with that ET, so why dont you comprehend why a BONE STOCK 3.8 would run high 15's?

Originally posted by shortdog273
:rolleyes: Yea, the 3.8s with crappy drivers and low gears.
i thought so, mad props to your ride man its sweet. and from your mods list if youre running 14.89 w/ that then low 14's dont seem TOO hard to get...

Originally posted by Rippin92RS
i thought so, mad props to your ride man its sweet. and from your mods list if youre running 14.89 w/ that then low 14's dont seem TOO hard to get...


I think i pretty much hit it on the head on my estimate. I said you would be looking at low 15's with full exhaust, and some suspension work.

shortdog273 has intake work, and even more suspension work than you listed, and he is running 14.89.

Also like i said, the addition of a cam could put you into low-mid 14's. So if you are saying a full exhaust, intake and some engine work is not too hard, then ok, you are right low 14's arent hard to achieve NA.

if you want 13s in your 3.8 you will need everything in my sig except a motor that works.

Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
So after all of those mods you are coming out with that ET, so why dont you comprehend why a BONE STOCK 3.8 would run high 15's?
All of those mods? Lol, It's just broken down into detail. When it boils down to it, my intake, exhaust and LCAs are the only mods that affect my times. 3.42 gears and LSD isn't a mod since it came STOCK on the ride. I don't see too many 3.8s in the 16s or even high 15s from this list: http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/ You figure.:)

First get ready to gut the car. Remove as much weight as possible.
Then:
Gears(3.73 or 4.10), converter(3200-3600), cam(212/212 or bigger, I would probably get springs also), skinnies, drag radials, and the usual misc stuff like intake/exhaust will get you in low 14s for sure. If you can't get into low 14s with those mods then you either can't hook or are racing at Denver. High 13s will be very probable but your car must be light and the combos you picked must be right. Car must be tuned also. I noticed a SOTP difference when I leaned mine out to .890s and advanced timing 2-4 degrees. I haven't track tested that yet though. You'll need PCM programming for the gears and up your rev limiter to 6300-6500.

It's not hard to do. You just need the money to get those mods. My friend here ran 13.8 with a manual. Nothing was even ported.

Originally posted by shortdog273
All of those mods? Lol, It's just broken down into detail. When it boils down to it, my intake, exhaust and LCAs are the only mods that affect my times. 3.42 gears and LSD isn't a mod since it came STOCK on the ride. I don't see too many 3.8s in the 16s or even high 15s from this list: http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/ You figure.:)

I ran a 16.0 once. I had intake/exhaust, 3.42s, posi and slipping transmission. I also had no experience in taking off. Temperature was in the 90s and car was hot. First time out at the track. You can't just step in and be an expert at racing from day one. :cool:

Originally posted by V6Power
I ran a 16.0 once. You can't just step in and be an expert at racing from day one. :cool:
Dom, I was an expert at day one. :D J/K, but ONE 16.0 don't qualify your car as a 16 sec car, especially since it was your first time and the weather conditions was not in your favor.

Most 3.8's stock run 15.7-16.3 from what i have witnessed, and heard from other people.

On that link you gave me there are over 40 3.8's that run in that time frame. The most of the others are in the lower to mid 15's.
That site doesnt even say what mods that those cars have.

You have mods you are running 14.89, basically 8 tenths faster than average, that woudl be attributed to your mods, track prep, and weather scenario. Please don't sit here and turn this into a rediculous argument over what STOCK 3.8's run. I said from the get go getting 13's would be hard in a 3.8, on that list you showed me there are a whole 2 cars running int he 13's NA.

Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
Most 3.8's stock run 15.7-16.3 from what i have witnessed, and heard from other people.

So you're an expert on the 3800 because...?

Driver skill, track conditions, weather, and elevation could easily account for over a second in the 1/4.

Originally posted by HAZ-Matt
So you're an expert on the 3800 because...?
Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth. This is main reason I had to hand alot of youngsters their azzes, because they figured I had a "16 sec" car, EVEN with my basic mods.:eek:

Ok Look, this thread is not even about that.

So you're an expert on the 3800 because...?
I STATED THE TIMES THAT I HAVE SEEN DRIVEN NO NEED TO BE A D!CK. Hazmat what are your credentials? I just looked at the link the guy gave me, and replied back what i saw. What makes you so much more of an expert to reply with an assanine comment like that. I posted on this thread to try to help the guy out, and you people sit here and dement this thread to who can bitch the longest about what times they could/should/might/ponder of running.

2nd of all:Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth. This is main reason I had to hand alot of youngsters their azzes, because they figured I had a "16 sec" car, EVEN with my basic mods

I never said it was a "16" second car. You guys seriously need to get your heads out of your A$$'s. I love it when you post something and everybody goes well i ran faster than that. Get a life. This goes on in the LT-1 forum all the time...people posting how they got a 13.5 bone stock. Thats really good, i sure am proud of you! You guys loose track of the original purpose of a thread, just to turn this into some dumb argument how you think a bone stock 3.8 would run 15.5 instead of a 15.6. Get over it, and get back on topic.

Boys....Boys.....Boys.

If you Boys would like to chat and share info about your times...or how to get your car to be that fast....then fine.

If not.....refrain from hi-jacking this thread....or it will shut down faster than a Top-Fuelie running the 1/4 :)

Be Good!

LOl, CamaroGuy, no need to get an attitude youngster. We're just trying to open your mind up. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shortdog273
LOl, CamaroGuy, no need to get an attitude youngster. We're just trying to open your mind up. :rolleyes:

No

This is what happend..... you saw my original post that i was trying to help the guy with a question and how i gave him an estimate about how fast 3.8's run, and you got offended because you think a stock 3.8 can run faster than what i quoted. I think the person with the close mind is you...not me. Seriously, you are arguing over something dumb, you didnt need to start acting like an a$$, even if you are older than me, that doesnt mean it justifies you being an a$$. Now please if you think a stock 3.8 runs a tad bit faster than what i said, ok , sure, i agree, some do, some dont, just leave it be.

Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
I STATED THE TIMES THAT I HAVE SEEN DRIVEN NO NEED TO BE A D!CK. Hazmat what are your credentials?

:) Oh I dunno, maybe I don't have any credentials.

Anyway, all that aside....

Auto in the 13's
Intake, exhaust, torque converter, cam, 4.10s, tires, weight reduction, programming (mainly for gears).

Manual in 13's
Intake, exhaust, clutch, cam, 4.10's, tires, weight reduction.

Originally posted by CamaroGuy22

you got offended because you think a stock 3.8 can run faster than what i quoted. I think the person with the close mind is you...not me.
:lol: No sir, I'm very open-minded. I don't get offended over silly stuff like this. Ignorance is bliss. I actually think it's funny when someone thinks they know what they're talking about, but in reality, they're very clueless. :confused: Let's just say SOME stock 3.8 run high 15, low 16s. Not all of em. Can't we at least agree on that? :cool: http://www.fbody.com/cgi-bin/v6/read.cgi?msgid=37497

LMAO

You are the one who doesnt know what they are talking about.

I already said that some run faster.
I already saidthat weather/track prep have a huge impact on times.

You are not getting it, i am not the one who started posting smart-assed comments on this thread, you were.

You are just a jerk, flat out. You come here and moan about well in my opinoin a stock 3.8 runs faster by a few tenths, well gee whiz, you showed me that link of time slips and the overwhelming majority of 3.8s didnt run higher than mid 15's. About 1/4 of the cars on that list ran 15.7 or UP, and on top if it, it doesnt say what mods they have, and i am damn for sure that the 3.8's running in the 14's arent stock. You have no point. Its that simple.
I had a v6, i have 4 freinds with 3.8's, i have worked on them, ridden in them, and raced in them, and i am at the track quite frequently. ;)

I ran, once I learned to drive my car to NUMEROUS 15.441 second quarters bone stock. Even a friend of mine -an extremely good driver, tied that.

I ran a 15.200 and a 15.121 with an SLP CAI.

I have no idea, nor will I know anytime soon, what I run with the Loudmouth.

The average 3800 V6, from 1995 to 2002 runs:

~14.9-15.9 depending on:

Driver.
Ambient conditions at the track.
Rear: gears and posi. Include tires here.

General rule of thumbs is that the 2000+ Y87 cars are the faster bone stock due to tuning, exhaust manifold update, and upper intake manifold revision.

I'm sure my car has 14s in it. It's a 1997 CAI, exhaust car. Do they all? Nope.

It's like the LS1. Some dyno 280 to the wheels and other dyno 330+ to the wheels when stock down to the paper filter. Average runs with bone stock LS1s are 13.5 seconds, with many hitting 14s (yes, 14s) and many hitting low 13s and even high 12s. Does that mean all LS1s are 12 second capable? NO. Does that mean some can? Obviously. However, it does mean that the majority of LS1s, given a decent driver, good weather and track prep, can easily hit 13.5...

I figure given good driver, good track and weather conditions that our 3800 series motor will hit 15.4-6 as an average. Why? Because not enough of us hit 14s, and not enough hit 16s. More hit lower mid-15s than any other time. That'd be my educated "guesstimate" for a 3800 car...

Now, death to this thread. You guys are making my head hurt. Seriously.

:death:

Oh, and at a particularly crap track here...

I ran a 17.272 in my car. It isn't a 17 second car.

I also ran a 4400 convertered LS1 to the 14s...but ran SAME said car at a better track with a 3500 converter to 12.901. That same car, at a better track (4400), ran a 12.49 with traction in the worst heat I've seen in years...

Difference? Track conditions. The crappy track was 101 degrees, and the import crowd was dragging water down the track all day, so traction was a HUGE issue, as well as the heat and humidity. The barometric pressure was also very low, as it stormed like crazy later that evening.