The think of a GM tagline thread...

Here is what I think GM's Taglines for it's brands should be.....(assuming GM delivers on quality product)

Chevy = Yesterday and Today America drives a Chevrolet

Cadilac = The standard of the world....Redfined.

Buick = Buy your last car from us before you die..

(okay that one isn't serious, but I havent seen anything new from them so I can't think of a fitting one.

Saturn = The American car that can.???

Pontiac = Total Performance. Total Excitment.

GMC = Billy Bob's Truck dressed up nice for the hoe down? (sorry my documented hate for GMC is known)

Chevy Truck = The truck that builds America.

General Motors - Give Us a Few Years and Our Cars Won't Suck So Bad.

By throwing your "well-document hatred" at GMC, you show your ignorance of about a century of GM history. Clearly, you don't know d*ck about such names as the General, Astro, 6500, etc., but there's a lot of truck buyers that do. It'd be great if GMC would get to sell trucks and the rest of the divisions would stick to cars and mini-SUVs, but we know damn well that Chevrolet wouldn't stand a chance if they only got to sell their current car line-up.

Actually, I like a lot of the ones GM is currently using:

Pontiac: Fuel For The Soul

Cadillac: Break Through

GMC: Professional Grade.

I think those are fine.


Buick: It's All Good... ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Chevrolet: We'll Be There... too bland.

Originally posted by Eric Bryant
General Motors - Give Us a Few Years and Our Cars Won't Suck So Bad.

By throwing your "well-document hatred" at GMC, you show your ignorance of about a century of GM history. Clearly, you don't know d*ck about such names as the General, Astro, 6500, etc., but there's a lot of truck buyers that do. It'd be great if GMC would get to sell trucks and the rest of the divisions would stick to cars and mini-SUVs, but we know damn well that Chevrolet wouldn't stand a chance if they only got to sell their current car line-up.


Your point is? History don't mean very much anymore...look at Old's death. GM doesn;t need two truck brands...it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe they should only sell GMC's in Canada since that is where they are so popular.

Originally posted by formula79
Your point is? History don't mean very much anymore...look at Old's death. GM doesn;t need two truck brands...it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Maybe they should only sell GMC's in Canada since that is where they are so popular.


GM sells more trucks than cars.

GM has 2 truck divisions, and 5+ car division, depending on how far you want to go. (Include Saab, etc).

GMC also gives GM the ability to put trucks on a Potiac/Buick/Cadillac dealer's lot.

Add to that the fact that GMC is now GM's #2 selling nameplate, and I can see no reason for GM to dump GMC.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by formula79
[B]Here is what I think GM's Taglines for it's brands should be.....(assuming GM delivers on quality product)

Saturn = The American car that can.???]

Since saturn is the Import fighter how about

Saturn = A domestic car, that isn't

Originally posted by 91_z28_4me
[QUOTE]Originally posted by formula79
[B]Here is what I think GM's Taglines for it's brands should be.....(assuming GM delivers on quality product)

Saturn = The American car that can.???]

Since saturn is the Import fighter how about

Saturn = A domestic car, that isn't

Saturn= The recycleable plactic car:)

Saturn - At least its not a Kia.

Cadillac - We're currently cooler than any other company in the world.

Pontiac - We'll have a lot of fuel for your soul in a few years.

Buick - You're old. We're old. Buy one.

Chevrolet - At least we didnt kill the Corvette.

Hummer - Move your car or die.

Holden - You stupid Americans can only have 18,000 of our sweet cars.

Originally posted by Chuck!


Buick - You're old. We're old. Buy one.



That's great!! :bow: :bow: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is one of the most enjoyable threads I've seen in a while.

One thing we can all agree on: Buick is for Grandparents.

And I'd just like to add:

Chevrolet: We'll be there.........in the coffin. But feel free to enjoy some sandwiches before you leave.

Jeff
:cool:

I miss Oldsmobile :(

Originally posted by Chuck!
Saturn - At least its not a Kia.

Cadillac - We're currently cooler than any other company in the world.

Pontiac - We'll have a lot of fuel for your soul in a few years.

Buick - You're old. We're old. Buy one.

Chevrolet - At least we didnt kill the Corvette.

Hummer - Move your car or die.

Holden - You stupid Americans can only have 18,000 of our sweet cars.

Hardest Ive laughed today. Thank you.:thumb:

Chevy= We you to be there....kinda sorta....in a somewhat cooler way.

Originally posted by kizz
I miss Oldsmobile :(

Me too - I think they had the best car lineup of any GM brand, and maybe the best of any American brand. Yep, that was a brilliant one to kill off :rolleyes:

I still think that GMC deserves to sell trucks, even if their recent transformation in Pontiac Truck has made their line-up really quite questionable.

And I find this neglect of product history so odd at a time when retro design is such a big market force. I think a lot of folks have gotten the two concepts confused, and they're really very different things. Then again, it is more difficult to uphold a hundred years or so of tradition than it is to throw curvy bodywork on a SUV chassis, so I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by Chuck!
Buick - You're old. We're old. Buy one.


lol, how about: "This ain't your father's Buick. It's your great grandfather's Buick."

Edit: It's hard to believe this is the same division that produced the now-legendary Grand National just 15 years ago, isn't it? :shock:

Hummer- Move your car or die.

LOL That was a good one Chuck!

I am wondering if Texas is the only state that has its own car/mainly truck commercials.

Ford,Dodge, and Chevy all have specialized Texas adds on TV and someone told me that was just a Texas thing?

Chevy- Dominance
its a lie but what the hell

I hate slogans... how about these?

Chevy - Is anybody there?
Cadillac - Breakdown.
Buick - It's no good.
Pontiac - Unleaded fuel for the soul.
GMC - We are more professional grade than Chevy.
Saturn - Plastics make it possible.
Hummer - MPG like nothing else.
Oldsmobile - "It's the end of the world as we know it, and we feel fine..."

Of course... why leave the others out:

Mercedes - Like any other
BMW - The ultimate yuppie machine
Honda - The young persons Buick
Toyota - Yes, we have an ego, but that's because WE'RE TOYOTA and you're not.
Mazda - Tomb Tomb Tomb
Acura - They'll never know its really an Accord

WE'RE GM. BUY OUR CARS, THEY'RE NOT AS BAD AS YOU THINK!!!!!! :thumb:

THe worst ever is Mazda "Zoom Zoom".

Commercial don't usually influence my buying of cars, but after that Zoom Zoom thing I'll never own a Mazda in my life.

THe "what would you do with a Pontiac for a day" commercials were pretty gay too. I hope they fired the guy that made those.

The new Pontiac Commercials KICK ASS.

"Left behind to rank? We'll be there. Chevrolet."

They don't make ads like this anymore: http://thirdgen.org/newdesign/brochures/1983Camaro/83takingcharge.jpg

(don't just look at it, actually read it, and honestly ask yourself if ANYTHING applies to Chevy 2003)

gt

Saturn-Safe, but boring or I coulda had a v8 (fiero)
Pontiac-We used to build excitement (not counting upcoming GTO of course)
Chevy-What kind of truck would you like?
Buick-Come see the new 2009 Grand National or Without new models we will become a ghost like Harley Earl

Does anyone know if there was ever an official reason given by GM for killing the F-body?

It's not dead, its on 'hiatus'
:D

It's funny, Mazda doesnt have a car that "zoom zoom's" they have a new car that buzzes and is slow....

Originally posted by Evil Turbo SS
It's funny, Mazda doesnt have a car that "zoom zoom's" they have a new car that buzzes and is slow....

Yea, that's right, the 6, Protege, Miata, and RX8 are all boring and flacid :rolleyes: I haven't driven the RX8 yet, but the other three are pretty nice vehicles for their respective classes.

Originally posted by WhiskeyJack
Does anyone know if there was ever an official reason given by GM for killing the F-body?

No, but IMHO it was a way to keep the tangent (caused by the 4th gen) from straying too far from the original purpose of the f-body, so they decided to take a break and let the negative connotations be forgotten. To start over again, tabula rasa. I honestly cannot picture a 5th gen based on a 4th gen and cues from other generations. The 4th gen strayed too far off the intended formula. Now the hiatus is a convenient way of saying "we're taking a break and will be back soon", but my money says that the Firebird is gone for good, which is the tragedy in this situation, and the other reason for the hiatus. To quietly kill the lesser known twin that was moving fewer units. That is the silent injustice hardly anyone is talking about. Not only is it tragic that the Firebird is extinct, but the bigger tragedy is that people will not miss it. "Camaro? Firebird? Oh yeah, same thing, what's the difference?" That kind of misguided oblivion, coupled with GM's unwillingness to bring BOTH back and make each distinct, is the biggest insult I could think of to those of us who love 'Birds exclusively. So, to be honest with you, even if the F-body comes back, if it's only a Camaro then it'll never succeed like the 2nd and 3rd gen succeeded. I hate to beat a dead horse but.. variety, variety, variety.
gt

Originally posted by kizz
The 4th gen strayed too far off the intended formula.

I wouldn't say the 4th Gen strayed far at all from the 3rd Gen formula, would you?

Furthermore, what was the intended F-body formula? If you say low slung, Corvette-esque performance at an affordable price then you've basically described all V8 F-bodies from 1970-2002.

I always thought the formula was a powerful engine, aggressive styling, and faster than the mustang all for a price 90% of the country can afford.

Originally posted by CamaroRSguy
I always thought the formula was a powerful engine, aggressive styling, and faster than the mustang all for a price 90% of the country can afford.

If they all chipped in together, 90% of the country could buy a loaded SS. :D

Originally posted by kizz
No, but IMHO it was a way to keep the tangent (caused by the 4th gen) from straying too far from the original purpose of the f-body, so they decided to take a break and let the negative connotations be forgotten. To start over again, tabula rasa. I honestly cannot picture a 5th gen based on a 4th gen and cues from other generations. The 4th gen strayed too far off the intended formula. Now the hiatus is a convenient way of saying "we're taking a break and will be back soon..."

I don't see how the F4, especially the LS-1s, made any "negative connotations." You could make that arguement for late F2s and some F3s, though. Maybe your criticism should be more focused on what the Firebird became.

The great shame of the F4 is that the WS6 became the Pontiac flagship, while the SLP Firehawk became all but invisible. It still amazes me that a T/A GTA was the best looking F3 , perhaps better looking than the C4 Corvette. The '98-'02 Ram Air WS6 let down the proud old name with the "bisected nostril" hood scoop and a massive price. It's too bad that more dealers didn't discover the WU6 RPO code for the Firehawk.

In general, I was appalled by the Firebird's 1998 facelift. For instance, why was it necessary to make the flip-up headlamps so obvious? That kinda goes against the point of concealed headlamps. When I say the first LS-1 Firehawks with flush mounted lights my heart gladdened - but then I never saw a single one on the street.

I don't expect you to believe me since you're obviously a F3 loyalist, but the Firebird-T/A started the third generation as the most desirable F-body, and ended the fourth as the least. At some point they left a "European feel" (Recaro seats, BBS-style rims) behind for an aura of complete and inexplicable wierdness. Maybe the rot started with the 1991 facelift.

At least the Z28 closed out the F4 as the best and cheapest of the breed. It was as if Chevy had reinvented the old Mustang LX 5.0 - a tasteful musclecar for the least amount of money. If that was a break with F-body heritage, I'm glad they made it.

Once again redzed I disagree. At the very least, the LS1 Firebird was infinitely more desireable than the LT1 version. I always found the long, pointed beak of the LT1 Firebird very odd. In these parts, I can count on one hand the number of LT1 Pontiacs I see in a month, and lose count after 100 the number of LS1 TA's and WS6's I see in the same time period. Maybe it's just the Detroit area, who knows.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Once again redzed I disagree. At the very least, the LS1 Firebird was infinitely more desireable than the LT1 version. I always found the long, pointed beak of the LT1 Firebird very odd. In these parts, I can count on one hand the number of LT1 Pontiacs I see in a month, and lose count after 100 the number of LS1 TA's and WS6's I see in the same time period. Maybe it's just the Detroit area, who knows.

Nobody in detroit drives a car more than 3 years old. The roads and climate destroy them and everyone is on a discount plan.

Originally posted by WERM
Nobody in detroit drives a car more than 3 years old. The roads and climate destroy them and everyone is on a discount plan.

Haha well my car is 9 years old and is about 900 miles away from the big 100k, but it has held up EXTREMELY well in year-round driving. :) I also don't have a relative in the auto industry.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Haha well my car is 9 years old and is about 900 miles away from the big 100k, but it has held up EXTREMELY well in year-round driving. :) I also don't have a relative in the auto industry.

Oh yeah, well my truck is 16 years old and has nearly 230,000 miles. Of course, it has held up extremely well-er. :Owned:

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Once again redzed I disagree.

Ya, well... this seems to be an ongoing trend with a lot of people here! :D lol.

At the very least, the LS1 Firebird was infinitely more desireable than the LT1 version. I always found the long, pointed beak of the LT1 Firebird very odd.

Ditto.

The whole redzed comment about the 98+ 'Birds headlights being different and poorly done.... it's called styling !! No other car had really taken that approach, and Pontiac pulled it off wonderfully.

As a general rule, MOST people , at least on this board, favor 4th Gen F-Body styling as follows:

Camaro: 93-97 styling is perfereed
Firebird: 98-02 styling is perferred.

There have been a dozen or more polls on this subject over the 4+ years I posted and lurked here. Comes up the same everytime... And for "Overall-best 4th Gen F-Body Styling Polls" , 98-02 Firebird wins those too... even over the 93-97 Camaro.

Can't relaly argue with the 4th gen's performance. Which is why I'm talking about looks. The 4thgen strayed way off the path in the looks dept. Like a crack-induced alien baby or something. Totally out of whack. I can't imagine an evolutionary 5th gen after the 4th gen. That's why they decided to clear it out of our minds for a yew years and start off fresh.

darth:

"Camaro: 93-97 styling is perfereed
Firebird: 98-02 styling is perferred."

That's right on the money! Even I, someone who generally doesn't like any 4thgens at all, agree with that. Those two breakdowns are the best looking ones.