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I was looking at my bin for my Camaro last night and realized something strange. It seems that I only have 29.7 deg total timing in my program. I thought that I had to add my initial to what my Auto X-ray said, but it seems that the X-ray already adds it. The bin reads that I have 23.7 deg above 70kpa above 3,500rpm. Shouldn't by timing be around 36-38deg by 2,800rpm. How much power am I loosing. I am guessing 50-60hp.
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Some stuff. Mostly stock.
1/4 mile just as street driven firstname.lastname@example.org no traction. Sold
this definitely isn't an "advanced" question, especially if i can answer it. i have 40* total timing at WOT above ~3500~ rpm. the LT1 loves timing; it still freaks me out that it handles that much and has absolutely zero knock retard across the board.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTMD8: On all of the LT1's I've dyno tuned, none of them have made more power with more than 34 degrees of total timing. Most can run at 31-32 degrees and lose no HP but gain torque.
That's exactly what I have seen with the exception of one car with a solid roller. This was a really high-rev setup with an Accel DFI and it needed something like 36-37 degrees. It was running race gas, and this probably had somehting to do with it as well.
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I have DFI and have my start line timing set at 41 and taper it down to 38 as I go thru the traps. I have tried running it a bunch of different ways and have found that this works well (Cam is 256/266 @ 0.050).
It makes a difference if you have a regular ignition which is not programable. My car leaves harder with a bunch of timing, but needs to be retarded to get good mph's. On a non programable system you kind of have to compromise.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LETHALRACER: I don't have an LT1. I have an old school L98. Pre 87 short block. Does this make a difference.</font>
Older heads need more total advance, typically speaking. This is because they've got a less-efficient combustion chamber, so the burn needs more of a head start in order to develop maximum mean cylinder pressure.
The catch is that older heads typically tolerance less advance than newer heads. So, when adjusting timing, you adjust it so that you avoid detonation. This will typically be something less than the advance that yields maximum power. You can do one of two things - run higher-octane fuel, or "upgrade" the cylinder heads to something like Vortecs or Fast Burns. AFRs are excellent heads in terms of airflow, but they tend to require a bit more advance than the newest factory heads.
Do not add excessive amounts of fuel to quiet down detonation caused by excessive spark advance, as the detonation is still occuring (albeit inaudibly). If you do this, you may get the chance to involuntarly inspect the bottom end of the motor.