raiderman119

My friend just totaled his civic ( he is fine, the civic is now dead, thank god) now he is looking at a really cheap car that will give him a little power (I dont think he knows what it feels like though). I told him that the third gen camaro's werent too expensive considering the amount of power that you get. I was wandering if there was any sites with specs on the third gen z28 and RS, I know that the 350 did not come with a 5 speed. What is the power potential for these cars if you have 1 grand to spend after buying the car. Thanks

Stephen 87 IROC

http://members.fbody.com/camarodude1...20database.htm

Pneumatic_Tire

"What is the power potential for these cars if you have 1 grand to spend after buying the car."

More than any civic could dream of. Good luck, and I'm sure he'll love the american made muscle.

krazzycowgirl

http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech/techdb.shtml

kandied91z

i love my car but anyone who has any knowledge on their workings and some mechanic skills could put together a setup with a turbo on that civic and make it blow by an average 350 thirdgen. however it wouldn't look as good nor feel as fun to drive and probably blow up and the end of the track.

lordmetalz28

i dont care what anyone says, you put a blower on a 19 second car(civic) u get a 17 second car, it takes serious serious serious money to make a civic in to a fast 13-14 second car good luck

kandied91z

yeah as much as a few hundred dollars...........don't get ignorant on the fact. you take a 100 rwhp car if that and put a turbo on it running 50-60% increase with such a light car and your going to have a pretty fast little thing with the right setup. it costs money to make them extremly fast and hold up but not much to get them as fast as ours.



with a little bit of luck and some searching 1,000 could easily build such a car into a 14 second range.

Pneumatic_Tire

"it costs money to make them extremly fast and hold up but not much to get them as fast as ours."


That is very true.

Ray86IROC

Help your buddy pick out a nice later 350 TPI thirdgen prefferably, with a 305 TPI 5spd as a good second choice (or first if he just has to have a 5spd). A distant third the 305 TPI auto if he can't find anything nice for within his budget. I would advise him to avoid the 305 TBI RS all together, as well as any of the IROCs/Formulas, etc that got stuck with the same base-model 305 TBI engine. He wants at least a 305 TPI IMO. If he goes down more into the mid 80s he'll also run into carb models, the LG4 is a dud but can be modded pretty easily, little less hassle than the TBI but I'd still skip it. One of the HO 305 carb models wouldn't be bad, especially since most had 5psds with good rear gearing. You can tell the difference between the carb motors by the 8th digit of the Vin (as well as identify the original engine in all the thirdgens..), I've forgotten the letter codes for each engine but it is somewhere on the thirdgen.org tech database page that is listed above, down after the 92 engine options I believe...

With a grand in mods he can make any of the decent thirdgens run pretty strong...

92RS305#2

whats wrong with the 305 TBIs














j/k i know they suck

kandied91z

if this is something they are going to build on a 305 tpi would be fine but if they aren't planning on doing much but driving there is a huge difference between the 350 and 305. at least get a manual with the 305 then.

BOZS89IROC

Any turbo or supercharger worth buying is going to be around $2500 plus intercooler (add another $2500-$5000). If you are going to be expecting 50%-65% increase in horse power (higher boost levels) you are going to have to reinforce the internals (forged), drop the compression ratio, etc. In order to make a civic run 14's or lower it will cost you quite a bit more than to make a Camaro (depending on which camaro) run 12's-13's.

BTW your going to need more than just forced induction to push a Civic into the 13's.

BOZS89IROC

The Vin code for the L69 305 H.O. is "G"

"H" is the code for the plain 305

Sorry, not to keep pointing you out but, IMO, everybody puts too much on manuals. Manuals are good for a few hundreths of a second off your 1/4 mile times but only if you really , really know what you are doing. They do have less parasitic loss than auto's maybe worth a couple of h.p. Don't get me wrong I love driving manuals but sometimes it's nice to not have to deal with it.

kandied91z

no reason to be sorry, plenty of kids pull off old gn turbos or other stock style setups from local yards for dirt cheap and are able to get their civics in to that range. it isn't uncommon at all and it's very affordable.........while they last that is so you can argue the point til your blue but its possible which was all i am saying.

as far as the manual vs. auto. well it's a proven fact the manual 305 tpi comes with a better cam and rear end so obviously it's going to be alot more then just .10 or so difference as far as overall feel and drive. i test drove many 305 tpi cars that were autos and there is no comparision from the factory. not to say they can't be modded which they can but stock for stock the 305 auto can't compare. with that out of the way i love my auto which is why i bought the 350 model. i would have rather had t-tops but after driving the 305 auto i quickly settled for a hardtop.

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