Zero to 60 in......
09-20-2008, 01:31 PM
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Really? cuase everywhere I'm looking has the new rumour as this...
2012 is when Ford is slated to put new engines in the Mustang. 2010 is just a minor bodymod year to keep the Mustang insteresting for the New Camaro and Challenger being released.
2012 will be same body as 2010 but with new engine options.
2012 will be same body as 2010 but with new engine options.
09-20-2008, 02:42 PM
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--- Assuming good health --- when you are 19 years old your physiological
reaction time is about 200-400milliseconds (0.400 seconds). This time increases throughout your life so at about age 60 your time ends up around 800mS.
The engine computer talks to the power train computer (and other on board computers), continuously sharing information. Calculations and decisions are made in nanoseconds.
For discussion, let's assume a 25Mhz processor clock speed. This translates into a calculation occurring once every 40 nanoseconds (0.000000040 seconds). The processor can make 10,000,000 calculations during the 400mS reaction time for a 19 year old! You can't think and react faster than sand! (a.k.a. silicon)
While the processor(s) are constantly optimizing performance, your 0-60 times are highly influenced by fuel combustion, transmission clutch slippage and road traction.
the auto has great gearing and will do 39 mph in first while going 66 mph in second while the manual has very poor gearing and would go 54 in first and 79 in second.
I would suggest that a truly level playing field is man against man both driving manual transmission setups, removing a bit of the technology and evaluating skill.
reaction time is about 200-400milliseconds (0.400 seconds). This time increases throughout your life so at about age 60 your time ends up around 800mS.
The engine computer talks to the power train computer (and other on board computers), continuously sharing information. Calculations and decisions are made in nanoseconds.
For discussion, let's assume a 25Mhz processor clock speed. This translates into a calculation occurring once every 40 nanoseconds (0.000000040 seconds). The processor can make 10,000,000 calculations during the 400mS reaction time for a 19 year old! You can't think and react faster than sand! (a.k.a. silicon)
While the processor(s) are constantly optimizing performance, your 0-60 times are highly influenced by fuel combustion, transmission clutch slippage and road traction.
the auto has great gearing and will do 39 mph in first while going 66 mph in second while the manual has very poor gearing and would go 54 in first and 79 in second.
I would suggest that a truly level playing field is man against man both driving manual transmission setups, removing a bit of the technology and evaluating skill.
Its the transmission gearing and shifting from the A6 that is making all the difference.
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09-20-2008, 03:48 PM
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The V6 coupe? Or the V8 sedan?
Actually, Guy, I'm pretty sure that the 2007 Mustang GT will continue being exactly that fast.
09-20-2008, 05:39 PM
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It was the V8 sedan
09-20-2008, 05:56 PM
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I got them from Performance car news Honestly it was the first site i got on google, so i can't verify its complete and utter accuracy.. but for the fact that it has almost 400 cars all in one spot.. got to give them props, show me another site that has this info gathered and I'll use it..
It was the V8 sedan
It was the V8 sedan
09-20-2008, 07:21 PM
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'10 Mustang will be a carry over with the powertrain, '11 Mustang will have the 5.0 (400/375) as long as Ford can keep the weight in the 3600 lbs area it will be a pretty tight race.
I was reading some Ford literature on the new F-150 and they talked about using higher stength steel to reduce the truck's weight by 100 pounds, If Ford could do the same with the '10+ Mustang, that'd offset the weight of the DOHC/M6 combo by a bit. In any event we will see come November for the '10 Mustang weight wise
Another interesting thing they did was reduce the number of strutural components under the dash to improve NVH as well as using quiet steel. Wonder if they will do the same with the Mustang?
09-20-2008, 08:11 PM
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So lets break this down:
The auto is bolted to an engine with 22 less hp and 13 less lb-ft of torque
The auto is over 50 lbs heavier than the manual
The auto is 3 tenths quicker to 60
Of course an automatic is going to shift faster than a manual, but all things considered, they really dropped the ball on getting the M6 to where it should be. Period.
I gotta tell ya, this is the biggest letdown since getting weight numbers. I hope they have some tuning left to do on that.
The auto is bolted to an engine with 22 less hp and 13 less lb-ft of torque
The auto is over 50 lbs heavier than the manual
The auto is 3 tenths quicker to 60
Of course an automatic is going to shift faster than a manual, but all things considered, they really dropped the ball on getting the M6 to where it should be. Period.
I gotta tell ya, this is the biggest letdown since getting weight numbers. I hope they have some tuning left to do on that.
09-20-2008, 08:19 PM
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So lets break this down:
The auto is bolted to an engine with 22 less hp and 13 less lb-ft of torque
The auto is over 50 lbs heavier than the manual
The auto is 3 tenths quicker to 60
Of course an automatic is going to shift faster than a manual, but all things considered, they really dropped the ball on getting the M6 to where it should be. Period.
I gotta tell ya, this is the biggest letdown since getting weight numbers. I hope they have some tuning left to do on that.
The auto is bolted to an engine with 22 less hp and 13 less lb-ft of torque
The auto is over 50 lbs heavier than the manual
The auto is 3 tenths quicker to 60
Of course an automatic is going to shift faster than a manual, but all things considered, they really dropped the ball on getting the M6 to where it should be. Period.
I gotta tell ya, this is the biggest letdown since getting weight numbers. I hope they have some tuning left to do on that.
60 mph is too old of a bench mark. With all these modern cars being as powerfull and close 0-60, they should be looking at a new number, say, 0-75/80/100.
09-20-2008, 09:40 PM
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L99 (auto) 13.3 @ 106 (I think that was the number)
LS3 (manual) 13.4 @ 108
Al said those numbers could change before the car was released and was sure that the 0-60 for the LS3 would be lower.
They are still sweating the details with this car and are still trying to make it better and faster.
Fbodfather said last night at the summit, forget what you know about weight, forget what you know about wheel hop...there isn't any, this car will blow you away...oh and something about keeping the faith
Oh and the BASE V6...14.7 in the 1/4
LS3 (manual) 13.4 @ 108
Al said those numbers could change before the car was released and was sure that the 0-60 for the LS3 would be lower.
They are still sweating the details with this car and are still trying to make it better and faster.
Fbodfather said last night at the summit, forget what you know about weight, forget what you know about wheel hop...there isn't any, this car will blow you away...oh and something about keeping the faith
Oh and the BASE V6...14.7 in the 1/4
09-20-2008, 09:46 PM
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09-20-2008, 09:50 PM
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L99 (auto) 13.3 @ 106 (I think that was the number)
LS3 (manual) 13.4 @ 108
Al said those numbers could change before the car was released and was sure that the 0-60 for the LS3 would be lower.
They are still sweating the details with this car and are still trying to make it better and faster.
Fbodfather said last night at the summit, forget what you know about weight, forget what you know about wheel hop...there isn't any, this car will blow you away...oh and something about keeping the faith
Oh and the BASE V6...14.7 in the 1/4
LS3 (manual) 13.4 @ 108
Al said those numbers could change before the car was released and was sure that the 0-60 for the LS3 would be lower.
They are still sweating the details with this car and are still trying to make it better and faster.
Fbodfather said last night at the summit, forget what you know about weight, forget what you know about wheel hop...there isn't any, this car will blow you away...oh and something about keeping the faith
Oh and the BASE V6...14.7 in the 1/4
He's said all that stuff before too, but the car is what it is whether we forget about that stuff or have all the faith in the world. it's not going to change anything.
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09-20-2008, 09:55 PM
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the g8 has wheel hop above stock level HP. We'll see if they improve from it since it's essentially the same.
He's said all that stuff before too, but the car will be is what it is whether we forget about that stuff or have all the faith in the world. it's not going to change anything.
He's said all that stuff before too, but the car will be is what it is whether we forget about that stuff or have all the faith in the world. it's not going to change anything.