Why Irs?!?!?
12-09-2005, 04:56 AM
#31
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
With the cat being out of the bag, DO you guys not know that the CTSv guys are having problems with the IRS that the upcoming camaro will have? (Which that IRS will be OLD by the time it comes out.)
Z28Wilson. Do you go to the dragstrip much? Mustangs are there by the ton.
I have a 04 Cobra. And when it comes to driving on a day to day basis, Its great. When you drive it like grandma. But the ride and handling is pretty nice for what the car is.
In time there will be topics on this board "How can I kill the wheelhop?" accept it!
I have read some links of CTSv owners asking the same thing.
Z28Wilson. Do you go to the dragstrip much? Mustangs are there by the ton.
I have a 04 Cobra. And when it comes to driving on a day to day basis, Its great. When you drive it like grandma. But the ride and handling is pretty nice for what the car is.
In time there will be topics on this board "How can I kill the wheelhop?" accept it!
I have read some links of CTSv owners asking the same thing.
Last edited by guesswhoo; 12-09-2005 at 05:06 AM.
12-09-2005, 05:26 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
Originally Posted by Capn Pete
The IRS is something I've actually ACCEPTED with an OPEN MIND 
. Answer me this: what type of suspension do the C5's and C6's (and their respective Z06's) have?? Thank you, case closed
.
Want to keep arguing and tell me they can't hook up at the track?
Check out corvetteforum.com sometime, and tell me that C5's and C6's run bad in the 1/4 mile, THEN I'll reconsider my view of the IRS. Oh, and please tell me how many cars outperform the 'Vettes on ROAD COURSES (that don't cost ~$250k +) and again, the case is closed on IRS.
Welcome to the future!
(edit: even "IF" GM put a solid axle in, you know they'd still use 'ol faithful, so there would just be complaints about a ~3-decade-old diff in a brand new car, and it would pi$$ off more people than it would please. Again, case closed.)
. Answer me this: what type of suspension do the C5's and C6's (and their respective Z06's) have?? Thank you, case closed.Want to keep arguing and tell me they can't hook up at the track?
Check out corvetteforum.com sometime, and tell me that C5's and C6's run bad in the 1/4 mile, THEN I'll reconsider my view of the IRS. Oh, and please tell me how many cars outperform the 'Vettes on ROAD COURSES (that don't cost ~$250k +) and again, the case is closed on IRS.Welcome to the future!
(edit: even "IF" GM put a solid axle in, you know they'd still use 'ol faithful
, so there would just be complaints about a ~3-decade-old diff in a brand new car, and it would pi$$ off more people than it would please. Again, case closed.)
12-09-2005, 06:52 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
I must have missed the Memo:
Federal Law for Sports Cars: (Signed with the onset of these pictures)
1) Thou must go to the drag strip once a month or suffer a fine.
2) Thou must go to a road coarse at least 4 times a year or risk tire deflation.
3) Thou may ONLY buy a sports car if you can satisfy the above requirements else car will be impounded.
Give me a break people only 5% or less actually "race" their cars.
Federal Law for Sports Cars: (Signed with the onset of these pictures)
1) Thou must go to the drag strip once a month or suffer a fine.
2) Thou must go to a road coarse at least 4 times a year or risk tire deflation.
3) Thou may ONLY buy a sports car if you can satisfy the above requirements else car will be impounded.
Give me a break people only 5% or less actually "race" their cars.
12-09-2005, 07:07 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
While I understand the frustration of those who will want to drag race, the Camaro needed to go the IRS route. Just about every review of the 4th gen I can think of commented on its "harsh ride". This should fix that, as well as giving some great handling too.
12-09-2005, 07:36 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
Originally Posted by 25THRSS
GM needs to step up to the plate with a stout sold axle rear for the 5th gen.
The Vette hasn't been plagued with wheel hop issues.
Originally Posted by JoeliusZ28
When a 5th gen kicks its tail out
12-09-2005, 08:18 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
Originally Posted by guesswhoo
With the cat being out of the bag, DO you guys not know that the CTSv guys are having problems with the IRS that the upcoming camaro will have? (Which that IRS will be OLD by the time it comes out.)
Z28Wilson. Do you go to the dragstrip much? Mustangs are there by the ton.
I have a 04 Cobra. And when it comes to driving on a day to day basis, Its great. When you drive it like grandma. But the ride and handling is pretty nice for what the car is.
In time there will be topics on this board "How can I kill the wheelhop?" accept it!
I have read some links of CTSv owners asking the same thing.
Z28Wilson. Do you go to the dragstrip much? Mustangs are there by the ton.
I have a 04 Cobra. And when it comes to driving on a day to day basis, Its great. When you drive it like grandma. But the ride and handling is pretty nice for what the car is.
In time there will be topics on this board "How can I kill the wheelhop?" accept it!
I have read some links of CTSv owners asking the same thing.
I think its interesting everybody is bringing up the CTS wheelhop problems. If you talk to 1/2 the f-body owners here they will say they had major wheel hop issues.....a whole industry of poly tubular LCAs was based pretty much solely on an F-body wheel hop problem. I do not personally think it is a suspension problem at all but a tire compound/driver problem, as none of the f-bods I've ever owned have ever wheel hopped problematically. But I'm just bringing it up because its not like people don't complain about it with our cars too.
12-09-2005, 09:14 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
I think you got it wrong there. Corvette's are made to handle whereas the Camaro is made to go fast in a straight line.
As for the overly debated topic, I don't car which one it has as long as there are aftermarket companies out there willing to solve any problems that should arise from them. In the past they both have had their strengths and weaknesses, and there always has been aftermarket companies that sell products to cure those weaknesses. It shouldn't really matter.
As for the overly debated topic, I don't car which one it has as long as there are aftermarket companies out there willing to solve any problems that should arise from them. In the past they both have had their strengths and weaknesses, and there always has been aftermarket companies that sell products to cure those weaknesses. It shouldn't really matter.
12-09-2005, 09:16 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
Solid axle would be basically unacceptable. GM would be ridiculed for it (even though Ford gets away with it in the new Stang, and yes a solid axle can be fine for 90% of the ride and handling needs). The way the press is these days, GM gets called to task for ANYTHING, even if other companies do the exact same thing.
The fourth gen cars were universally praised for their performance and value (and styling), even handling on smooth roads. But they were almost ALWAYS critized, rightly or not, for having an "old-tech" live axle setup on such an otherwise potent machine. They were forgiven at first because of the value (when they came out, the only cars that were as fast/faster were the Vette/Supra Turbo/RX7 type cars, costing nearly twice as much dough).
I've driven several Vettes (C5 and C6, base and Z06), and I'll happily take an IRS and run with it. Someone will find a way to shoehorn a solid axle under there for the hardcore, gotta-go 9 seconds crowd who spend big $$ on making their cars into drag racers. For the vast majority of buyers though (who will never go to a strip, or may go very rarely), the IRS will be just fine, and will be better in the ride/handling department.
The fourth gen cars were universally praised for their performance and value (and styling), even handling on smooth roads. But they were almost ALWAYS critized, rightly or not, for having an "old-tech" live axle setup on such an otherwise potent machine. They were forgiven at first because of the value (when they came out, the only cars that were as fast/faster were the Vette/Supra Turbo/RX7 type cars, costing nearly twice as much dough).
I've driven several Vettes (C5 and C6, base and Z06), and I'll happily take an IRS and run with it. Someone will find a way to shoehorn a solid axle under there for the hardcore, gotta-go 9 seconds crowd who spend big $$ on making their cars into drag racers. For the vast majority of buyers though (who will never go to a strip, or may go very rarely), the IRS will be just fine, and will be better in the ride/handling department.
12-09-2005, 09:27 AM
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Re: Why Irs?!?!?
Wheelhop can happen with any rear suspension. That's what the aftermarket is for. Stock cars are always going to ba compromise of ride and handling, and i'd expect a car off the showroom floor to favor the former.
I think everyone shoudl stop worrying about wheel hop and worry about that glass rear from the CTS. If you thought the 7.5" was bad...
I think everyone shoudl stop worrying about wheel hop and worry about that glass rear from the CTS. If you thought the 7.5" was bad...
