SLP involvement
12-09-2005, 11:08 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by JoeliusZ28
I agree... I want headers in the trunk when I pick mine up 
(in all seriousness i know that will never happen)
(in all seriousness i know that will never happen)GMPP will very likely offer things that dont void warranty
12-09-2005, 11:53 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by I8COBRA
What did SLP do for the Z28? Slapped on a hood, spoiler, shifter, catback and wheels, big deal. The 4th gen SS was a joke, nothing but a prettier Z28.
Ever drive an LS1 Firehawk with the Bilstein group? I have...and that car was worth every penny over a normal Trans Am or Formula...let alone the ant-eater WS6. Even Scott would tell you SLP was a major benefit to the 4th gen.
The passing of SLP is sad...not a good thing.
12-09-2005, 11:54 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by NewbieWar
GMPP will very likely offer things that dont void warranty
12-09-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: SLP involvement
Uhm, yeah....
GM has grown a lot in their performance efforts in recent years. It had to. But back in '96, SLP did Camaro enthusiats a favor. In '91, it started doing Firebird enthusiasts a favor. To mock that effort is idiotic...period.
And I have news for you...SLP did a helluva lot more than throw cars on a chassis dyno. I wish Jeff Y was around to explain to the unwashed here what SLP truly did do...
GM has grown a lot in their performance efforts in recent years. It had to. But back in '96, SLP did Camaro enthusiats a favor. In '91, it started doing Firebird enthusiasts a favor. To mock that effort is idiotic...period.
And I have news for you...SLP did a helluva lot more than throw cars on a chassis dyno. I wish Jeff Y was around to explain to the unwashed here what SLP truly did do...
12-09-2005, 03:44 PM
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Re: SLP involvement
.....and further more SLP only did what they were contracted by GM to do . GM defined the SS and the Firehawks ...set the boundries if u will , SLP designed the packages within GM's parameters . So how does SLP suck ? If you added equal parts to your Z28 to equivilate the SS or Firehawk packages , using NEW parts ....not used , you likely would have spent MORE money than the premium charge for a new SS or firehawk over a Z28 , Formula or Trans Am .
The 2 years SLP developed the Firehawk package on their own were 91 and 92 . Unlike the 4th gens , those were just a bit more than a couple bolt ons and wheels You could opt for a Alumium block 350 with a T-ram intake , 6point roll bar with harnesses , aluminum hood , recaro seats to the already stout for the time Base Firehawk .
Hell back then , SLP did more for the F-bodies than GM did . Including customer appreciation days its still holds , which has now turned into a pretty big yearly event .
The 2 years SLP developed the Firehawk package on their own were 91 and 92 . Unlike the 4th gens , those were just a bit more than a couple bolt ons and wheels
You could opt for a Alumium block 350 with a T-ram intake , 6point roll bar with harnesses , aluminum hood , recaro seats to the already stout for the time Base Firehawk . Hell back then , SLP did more for the F-bodies than GM did . Including customer appreciation days its still holds , which has now turned into a pretty big yearly event .
12-10-2005, 10:37 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
Bingo...
Anyway, I am very sad SLP Engineering is gone. I sold 10 Firehawks in '02, compared to 3 WS6s. For the extra $1,000 a base Hawk package cost over a WS6, the additional 20hp alone (claimed, actual, whatever...) was worth the $$...not to mention the awesome hood.
The hood looked better, the exhaust sounded better, and that Bilstein group...wow. I have the shocks on my Z, but not the lowering kit or the reinforced chassis bits. I almost bought the package for $700 when SLP still offered it (it was $1,099 installed on the Hawks, and is now just a $550 package with just the Eibachs and the Bilsteins
), and wish I had. I didn't really want to drop my Z though. But the one ride I took in a black Hawk with the Bilstein group...wow.
A car I want as badly as a 5th gen is a Formula Firehawk with the Bilstein group...I ordered and sold 2 that year (NBM and red), and could have bought either for about $26k...window was about $32,500. What an idiot I was I would have needed a $500 beater to drive every day, and wasn't willing to part with my Z28 and my then-brand-new '02 Grand Am GT to do it
Anyway, I am very sad SLP Engineering is gone. I sold 10 Firehawks in '02, compared to 3 WS6s. For the extra $1,000 a base Hawk package cost over a WS6, the additional 20hp alone (claimed, actual, whatever...) was worth the $$...not to mention the awesome hood.
The hood looked better, the exhaust sounded better, and that Bilstein group...wow. I have the shocks on my Z, but not the lowering kit or the reinforced chassis bits. I almost bought the package for $700 when SLP still offered it (it was $1,099 installed on the Hawks, and is now just a $550 package with just the Eibachs and the Bilsteins
), and wish I had. I didn't really want to drop my Z though. But the one ride I took in a black Hawk with the Bilstein group...wow.A car I want as badly as a 5th gen is a Formula Firehawk with the Bilstein group...I ordered and sold 2 that year (NBM and red), and could have bought either for about $26k...window was about $32,500. What an idiot I was
I would have needed a $500 beater to drive every day, and wasn't willing to part with my Z28 and my then-brand-new '02 Grand Am GT to do it
12-10-2005, 11:22 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
The whole SLP ss was pretty stupid. I don't care if they defined it or GM defined it. SS = what the Z/28 should have been.
The z/28 was so plain and dowdy, no wonder so many people chose to buy the SS (or not buy a camaro).
The z/28 was so plain and dowdy, no wonder so many people chose to buy the SS (or not buy a camaro).
12-10-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by WERM
The whole SLP ss was pretty stupid. I don't care if they defined it or GM defined it. SS = what the Z/28 should have been.
The z/28 was so plain and dowdy, no wonder so many people chose to buy the SS (or not buy a camaro).
The z/28 was so plain and dowdy, no wonder so many people chose to buy the SS (or not buy a camaro).
I recall when I bought my SS, there were 3 Zs right next to it, and I tried talking the dealer into taking the ground effects from one of the Zs and putting it on the SS. He didn't go for it.
12-10-2005, 12:53 PM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by greg_nate
I am not sure what you are talking about. A 4th Gen Z/28 had ground effects, whereas a 4th Gen SS did not. That was one of the things that always bothered me about the SS, is that it didn't have (by default) the ground effects.
I recall when I bought my SS, there were 3 Zs right next to it, and I tried talking the dealer into taking the ground effects from one of the Zs and putting it on the SS. He didn't go for it.
I recall when I bought my SS, there were 3 Zs right next to it, and I tried talking the dealer into taking the ground effects from one of the Zs and putting it on the SS. He didn't go for it.
Don't mean to be a d!ck or anything, but the reason why he wouldn't is because those ground effects were OPTIONAL on a Z28...and not available on an SS. Why would he swap a factory option off of one car, and onto another?????
12-10-2005, 11:14 PM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by Jason E
And the newbie parade continues on the 5th gen board...
Don't mean to be a d!ck or anything, but the reason why he wouldn't is because those ground effects were OPTIONAL on a Z28...and not available on an SS. Why would he swap a factory option off of one car, and onto another?????
Don't mean to be a d!ck or anything, but the reason why he wouldn't is because those ground effects were OPTIONAL on a Z28...and not available on an SS. Why would he swap a factory option off of one car, and onto another?????
THAT IS CLASSIC...get ready for the flood~
12-11-2005, 01:04 AM
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Re: SLP involvement
Originally Posted by I8COBRA
What did SLP do for the Z28? Slapped on a hood, spoiler, shifter, catback and wheels, big deal. The 4th gen SS was a joke, nothing but a prettier Z28.
Really?
Then how 'bout you and I meet up at Spring Mountain Motorsports park and I take you for a ride in a stock Z28 and then a stock SS.........
there is a big difference.
Now....as to the drag strip.......there is still a difference........the magic in the SS is how much better it handled on a road course. It put cars costing three times as much to shame.