Regarding the Camaro Summit: Ummmm, what the heck?!
05-24-2007, 04:33 PM
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But here's a thought: The 4th gen F-car was an extremely compromised package - for a multitude of reasons. So compromised in fact, that the automotive consumer populace simply refused to buy them anymore.
So here's what concerns me. Even with these crippling compromises, I'd say it's a safe bet that a good majority of the attendees feel that their 4th gen is probably the best damned car ever produced. In no way do I want to offend anyone - but lets face it, the 5th gen needs to raise the bar exponentially from that, and have much broader appeal to boot.
So is the deck stacked to aim low as far as the input given GM, since those that are giving this input base a good chunk of their lifestyle around a car/package which eventually failed in the market place?
Again, not meaning to give offence or anything, but just bringing it up as a point of discussion.
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No doubt.
But here's a thought: The 4th gen F-car was an extremely compromised package - for a multitude of reasons. So compromised in fact, that the automotive consumer populace simply refused to buy them anymore.
So here's what concerns me. Even with these crippling compromises, I'd say it's a safe bet that a good majority of the attendees feel that their 4th gen is probably the best damned car ever produced. In no way do I want to offend anyone - but lets face it, the 5th gen needs to raise the bar exponentially from that, and have much broader appeal to boot.
So is the deck stacked to aim low as far as the input given GM, since those that are giving this input base a good chunk of their lifestyle around a car/package which eventually failed in the market place?
Again, not meaning to give offence or anything, but just bringing it up as a point of discussion.
But here's a thought: The 4th gen F-car was an extremely compromised package - for a multitude of reasons. So compromised in fact, that the automotive consumer populace simply refused to buy them anymore.
So here's what concerns me. Even with these crippling compromises, I'd say it's a safe bet that a good majority of the attendees feel that their 4th gen is probably the best damned car ever produced. In no way do I want to offend anyone - but lets face it, the 5th gen needs to raise the bar exponentially from that, and have much broader appeal to boot.
So is the deck stacked to aim low as far as the input given GM, since those that are giving this input base a good chunk of their lifestyle around a car/package which eventually failed in the market place?
Again, not meaning to give offence or anything, but just bringing it up as a point of discussion.
However I don't forsee the "chosen ones" making that mistake. Most of them want 4th gen performance with 1st gen style and comfort. Thats a mix i can live with.
05-24-2007, 07:45 PM
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they werent asking us about 10 years from now. for all we know, we'll be fueling with hydrogen by then.
throw away 4th gen thoughts. the only thing this car is going to have in common with them are 4 wheels.
05-24-2007, 08:00 PM
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05-24-2007, 08:41 PM
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In terms of what is currently available from GM Powertrain, your question isnt very realistic, is it?
Just because I would only consider buying a V8, doesnt mean I'm oblivious to the fact there has to be smaller engines available. In fact, you could easily say it's the V6 segment that is most critical to the success of the 5th gen.
If we were to peer through the looking glass, to a time where technology has advanced far enough that manufacturers can provide more HP from 4 cyls, sure, why not?
Just because I would only consider buying a V8, doesnt mean I'm oblivious to the fact there has to be smaller engines available. In fact, you could easily say it's the V6 segment that is most critical to the success of the 5th gen.
If we were to peer through the looking glass, to a time where technology has advanced far enough that manufacturers can provide more HP from 4 cyls, sure, why not?
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No doubt.
But here's a thought: The 4th gen F-car was an extremely compromised package - for a multitude of reasons. So compromised in fact, that the automotive consumer populace simply refused to buy them anymore.
So here's what concerns me. Even with these crippling compromises, I'd say it's a safe bet that a good majority of the attendees feel that their 4th gen is probably the best damned car ever produced. In no way do I want to offend anyone - but lets face it, the 5th gen needs to raise the bar exponentially from that, and have much broader appeal to boot.
So is the deck stacked to aim low as far as the input given GM, since those that are giving this input base a good chunk of their lifestyle around a car/package which eventually failed in the market place?
Again, not meaning to give offence or anything, but just bringing it up as a point of discussion.
But here's a thought: The 4th gen F-car was an extremely compromised package - for a multitude of reasons. So compromised in fact, that the automotive consumer populace simply refused to buy them anymore.
So here's what concerns me. Even with these crippling compromises, I'd say it's a safe bet that a good majority of the attendees feel that their 4th gen is probably the best damned car ever produced. In no way do I want to offend anyone - but lets face it, the 5th gen needs to raise the bar exponentially from that, and have much broader appeal to boot.
So is the deck stacked to aim low as far as the input given GM, since those that are giving this input base a good chunk of their lifestyle around a car/package which eventually failed in the market place?
Again, not meaning to give offence or anything, but just bringing it up as a point of discussion.
To make the assumption that '...those giving input are basing it around a car/package that failed...', ...simply doesn't reflect the frame of mind for those there, ...nor does it account for all the other enthusiasts who have voiced their concerns. Like I said, ...we weren't there to simply voice our own individual concerns.
...and no, ...the 'deck' isn't stacked low. On the contrary, ...I believe GM realizes, ...there is a LOT at stake here, ...they do want to get it right. Will they? ...only time will tell, ...but I whole-heartedly believe they will and are doing everything they can...