Price Range (again)
#31
Re: Price Range (again)
Considering that the 2006 Cobalt SS-Super-charged coupe has a base price of $21,990. By 2009MY the Cobalts SS-SC base price should be around $22,995 which would be close to the starting price for the 09 base v6 Camaro.
#32
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by Blue89Bird
Just comfy seats
sorry to take it out of context... but man the 4th gen seats are nice!
they are soo comfy... my friend drove my other friends 94 camaro z28 about 100 miles, then the next day he drove his SL500 Mercedies the same 100, and he had to give it up to the seats in the camaro made for a more comfortable ride...
similarly... a previous customer of mine, had a dodge van, replaced the dodge seats with camaro 4th gen seats... after he told me i realized the two tone color and realized it lol... and sure enough they were comfy in there too...
#33
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by johnsocal
Considering that the 2006 Cobalt SS-Super-charged coupe has a base price of $21,990. By 2009MY the Cobalts SS-SC base price should be around $22,995 which would be close to the starting price for the 09 base v6 Camaro.
#34
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by Mersereau427
At five feet tall, wouldn't that be the case in almost every car? How many cars have telescoping steering columns these days? Tilt yes, but telesoping? I thought that went out in the eighties.
Ford Focus
Volkswagen Golf, GTI, Passat, and Jetta
CHEVROLET MALIBU / MALIBU MAXX
CHEVROLET CORVETTE / Cadillac XLR
Cadillac STS
Cadillac DTS
Mazda 6 / Ford Fusion / Mercury Milan, Lincoln "Zephyr"
Honda Accord
BMW 3-series
Hyundai Azera, Sonata
Just to name a few.
Either way some people need it and/or height adjustable seats and/or pedals. With out atleast, preferably two of these features (Focus's have height adjustable seats and telescoping steering available) some people can not drive certain vehicles. When people NEED something that a car does not have, it does not matter how nice the rest of the car is, they are not going to buy that car.
They aren't the only ones that may not buy the car. Without these options, people that would otherwise leap at the chance to buy the vehicle are not allowed to because somebody important to them (that may need to drive it from time to time) would not be able to drive it safely. I am 6' 2" I have no problem what-so-ever driving a Camaro, but my girl may need to drive it occasionally while we are finishing school and it is just not safe for her. I will find a way to have one of the upcoming Camaros, pure and simple, but if I have to modify it by adding telescoping steering or adjustable pedals (I don't have the money or time to do that right now) just so my (soon to be) wife will be able to drive it, that will be the difference between me ordering it new or buying a used one.
IMO I think ALL new and/or updated cars and trucks that GM produces like the new Impala, Lucerne, the future Camaro, and 2007 trucks should have them (at least) optional. Seriously the Malibus have it, why can't the Camaro?
David
#35
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by notgetleft
Just because this debate is sooooo much fun....
In a year where both have been available, Z28 has NEVER had more HP than SS.
Now comes the part where someone says the 302 was underrated and really made 450hp and the high compression lumpy cam 396 was a dog...
Then comes the part where someone points out the Z28 had teh better suspension and brakes therefore making it the top performance model, HP be damned.
roflmao
In a year where both have been available, Z28 has NEVER had more HP than SS.
Now comes the part where someone says the 302 was underrated and really made 450hp and the high compression lumpy cam 396 was a dog...
Then comes the part where someone points out the Z28 had teh better suspension and brakes therefore making it the top performance model, HP be damned.
roflmao
#36
Re: Price Range (again)
I always forget an important qualifier when i don't proofread.
Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.
hopefully that ends sidetracking the argument, not that it matters anway.
I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....
I don't really care much either way. I only inject my thoughts into these posts because , well, the SS argument is so much easier to make, z28 only holds water if you are sentimental about the badge...
edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.
Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.
hopefully that ends sidetracking the argument, not that it matters anway.
I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....
I don't really care much either way. I only inject my thoughts into these posts because , well, the SS argument is so much easier to make, z28 only holds water if you are sentimental about the badge...
edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.
#37
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by notgetleft
I always forget an important qualifier when i don't proofread.
Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.
Let me rephrase, z28 never had more *available* HP than SS.
hopefully that ends sidetracking the argument, not that it matters anway.
I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....
I also forgot the other good one, goes along with the suspension and brake thing. In today's world, a car can't just have a big engine and not have all the other 'sporting' goods. However, considering GM set the precedent in the 4th gen that SS gets all the best suspension and engine options, where does that leave us. Or does it even matter anyway....
I don't really care much either way. I only inject my thoughts into these posts because , well, the SS argument is so much easier to make, z28 only holds water if you are sentimental about the badge...
edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.
edit, reread my post, man i really just don't care, roflmao.
#38
Re: Price Range (again)
Originally Posted by NewbieWar
sorry to take it out of context... but man the 4th gen seats are nice!
they are soo comfy... my friend drove my other friends 94 camaro z28 about 100 miles, then the next day he drove his SL500 Mercedies the same 100, and he had to give it up to the seats in the camaro made for a more comfortable ride...
similarly... a previous customer of mine, had a dodge van, replaced the dodge seats with camaro 4th gen seats... after he told me i realized the two tone color and realized it lol... and sure enough they were comfy in there too...
they are soo comfy... my friend drove my other friends 94 camaro z28 about 100 miles, then the next day he drove his SL500 Mercedies the same 100, and he had to give it up to the seats in the camaro made for a more comfortable ride...
similarly... a previous customer of mine, had a dodge van, replaced the dodge seats with camaro 4th gen seats... after he told me i realized the two tone color and realized it lol... and sure enough they were comfy in there too...
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