5thGen

I know there have been about 30 threads started on puttin gthe LS7 into the Camaro.

That's great and all, but if the Base Camaro is not a major hit, then we won't have a Camaro to put the LS7 into.

So, lets discuss what you WANT for the base version, What you EXPECT, and what you think will sell.

I've said it a lot, and I will say it again, I think an affordable V8 will be the key to selling a lot more cars.

If the 400 hp V8 is a lot more than the Mustang GT ($25,140 MSRP as how I'd order it), Then I won't be getting one.

Lutz has hinted at being 200 over the base Mustang ($19,115 MSRP), with the base Camaro.




If I were to buy a Camaro, I'd want the Base model, and want the option to add in a V8, without going 10k more for a full Z/28 package or 15k more for an SS package.
5 speed manual would be fine, cloth interior, and yes, I would go for roll up windows, talk about Retro! Nothing is more retro than reaching over the console to roll down the passenger side window at a light.
Even put in a Simple CD player (six speakers not 15), no Changer, no Navi, no heated seats, No power mirrors...... these are things I could live without in order to get a kick *** car.

If they offered the base for 19,350, and the option to add the V8 was 3000, that would be 22,350. 3k for upgrading the engine sounds ok to me. am I off here? I am talking a 300 hp LS engine, not the LS2, but if that was 3k, then I'd take it anyway!

Why not a suspension upgrade for 2k? So, at 24,350, you can have a 300 hp Mustang eater. That is what I'd like to see, and at that price, I truly think it would help boost sales way more than any 500 hp LS9 or LS27 or whatever.

Make the RS package available to V6's and V8's also, so you'll have the ground effects, rims, leather etc.


your thoughts?

We're talking base model here, no talk about LS7s or I'll be forced to track you down, make you take "uncomfortable" pictures and home movies send them to your mom.

nourdmrolnmt1

Logic? no frickin way.

im going to guess they will put 350 HP into the base camaro.

base will include 6 speed by that time

RhinoSS

I completely agree. The V6 is paramount to the success or demise of the new Camaro. I would say the usual V6 owner will want a more contemporary, modern interior that reflected a good quality, which was not one of the 4th gens strong points.

The V6 is all about value... and the features you get for your money. Regardless of price, I feel the V6 Camaro will have to offer more features for the same money to compete with the Stang... since it currently has a strangle hold of this market.

RhinoSS

There's no way that GM would do that. There's also no way that the average "Joe v6" is going to need 350 HP in the entire cars life. We're talking about either a daily driver or a sporty second car.

I feel the 6 speed would be nothing more than a waste in a car that will be purchased by the general public, not the performance sector.

97bowtie

The problem with taking a base V6 model and throwing a V8 in it, is you'll need bigger wheels/tires, bigger brakes, stronger clutch/drivetrain, different suspension components to handle the increased weight/torque of the bigger motor. All this adds up, and puts you right there with the price of a new Z28. I see GM sticking with the 4th gen scheme...a base V6 model, a Z28 with a V8 (I'd say the LS2 is the likely candidate), and a higher HP SS (not the fluff SS we had in the 4th gens), possibly a 6.2/6.5L, 450 HP V8.

The base model is what has always allowed the Z28s/SSs, Mustang GTs, etc. to stay alive. The base model will be a driver friendly, somewhat docile V6 model that caters to a large audience. Just my $.02.

5thGen

yeah that will compete really well with the 200 hp Base V6 Mustang for 19k

And if you think you are getting 350hp and a 6 speed manual in a sub 20k car brand new from Chevy, you are not just smoking crack, you are an addict whose brain has developed ulcers from the severe lack of oxygen, and the introduction of toxic chemicals into your bloodstream.

nourdmrolnmt1

i dont know why i said 350... 250 was ment.

5thGen

but if you are jumping from 240 to 300, that should not be necesary. I can understang going from 200 to 475 a la Shelby, but 240-300 is like putting a 50 shot on a 1993 Mustang, the wheels won't fall off when you hit the spray.

5thGen

that's alright, I have been looking for a good reason to lay into someone, and 350 gave me one, so thanks!

RhinoSS

I agree to that. I was thinking between 200 to 250 range. Since this car will be much heavier than it's import rivals, we'd need the increased horsepower.

stars1010

Quality Quality Quality

This has to be an everyday livable car with the cool factor.

People will pay for options, Options = cool factor

so a good low base price of around 20k will work, but….

Then fully option a vert V6 up to around 30k…Yes I said 30 grand

And you know why?....... because that is exactly what a fully optioned 2006 Mustang vert cost ($29,965.00) I just built it at Ford.com

I agree though a 5.3L optional V8 @ about 350hp would be a jump on the mustang… but I’m starting to think, why not just call that the SS and make it the next model up

I think most everyday buyers if wanting to opt for the 5.3L will just go ahead and pay for the SS model

Shoot I know Chevy can bring the mid level SS at bellow 30 grand to start, so why not?

I really think a lot of people have narrow minded views. A stripped down base car with a V8 will not sell,

HP does not sell cars either, I don’t know how many times I have to say this.

0toinsanein5.4sec

the base will probably have 220-240 hp is my guess. either the 3.5L or 3.9L from the impala. You dont want it to be too powerful bc some ppl get scared when power gets much higher than even that. I know, crazy huh?

poSSum

IMO it will need a ~250 HP V6 entry motor and a ~325 HP optional V8 that runs on regular to satisfy the masses. Add a 400+ HP option for the performance enthusiast. Then of course there will be the Z28 on top of all that.

stars1010

That works for me...

Z28Wilson

We will need to see a stylish, though a bit more subdued base car on the outside. We need good interior materials used on all models, but especially the base car. Don't skimp out on the base car. Make it feel solid, perhaps give it an optional RS package for better handling, just make the car fun. The 3.9 V6 from the G6 GXP should be the base engine, at the least. I don't think making the V6 Camaro successful is really rocket science. Let's hope Chevy can do it right this time around.