Joe 1320

IRs is not a bad thing, it will often keep the rear from coming around in a bumpy tight turn where a solid axle is all over the place. I wouldn't swap it, just dial it in for more aggressive handling. Now a dedicated drag car is another story.

super83Z

Whats so bad about a close race? Its been a LONG time(17+ years) since there has been a good race between the Camaro and Mustang.

Camaro power(426/420) to weight(3860):

9.06 lbs per hp

9.19 lbs per ft-lb of torque

Mustang power(412/390) to weight(3650):

8.86 lbs per hp

9.36 lbs per ft-lb of torque

I can't wait.

l979z28rs

Radio Delete

wbt

I'll be honest and say I am very torn between which car to get. 2010/11 Camaro SS or 2011 Mustang GT.

My wife drives a '10 Mustang GT, 5spd., 3.73 and I love it. Interior quality is fantastic and it is plenty quick.

My current ride is a Caliber SRT4 that has been warmed over and is deadly from a roll but flat out blows from a stop due to traction issues.

This would be my first Camaro if I make the choice. I think the LS3/99 is an outstanding platform that responds well to mods and frankly I love pushrod motors. This stems from my previous '90 Mustang coupe where I was running 11's on a N/A 302.

It is a damn tossup for me and is driving me nuts....

Gold_Rush

There's no wrong choice and I think you'd be happy with either car. I myself am leaning towards the mustang, but since your wife already has a 2010 GT i'd say go with the camaro. That way, you'd have 2 very nice (and different) cars in your garage.

wbt

2011 GT teaser pics:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/25/2...wrapped-early/

If I go Mustang:


If I go Camaro:

wbt

2011 Mustang GT specs (courtesy of jzeilinga@corral.net):

DRIVETRAIN
Layout Rear-wheel drive (Limited slip differential)

TRANSMISSION
Standard 6-speed manual
Gear ratios
1st 3.66
2nd 2.43
3rd 1.69
4th 1.32
5th 1.00
6th 0.65
Final drive 3.31:1

BODY
Construction: Unitized welded steel body, aluminum hood
Final assembly location: Flat Rock, Michigan

POWERTRAIN AND CHASSIS
ENGINE V-8
Type 5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V-8
Manufacturing location TBA
Configuration Aluminum block and heads
Intake manifold Composite shell-welded with runner pack
Exhaust manifold Stainless steel tubular headers
Redline 7,000 rpm (est.)
Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder, variable intake, variable camshaft timing
Valve diameter/lift (mm) Intake: 37/12; Exhaust: 31/11
Pistons Cast aluminum
Connecting rods Forged steel
Ignition High-energy coil-on-plug
Bore x stroke 3.63 in x 3.65 in/92.2 mm x 92.7 mm
Displacement 302 cu. in./4,951 cc
Compression ratio 11.0:1 (est.)
Engine control system PCM
Horsepower 412 @ 6,500 rpm (est.)
Horsepower per liter 82.4
Torque 390 lb.-ft. @ 4,250 rpm (est.)
Recommended fuel 91 octane (unleaded 87 octane minimum)
Fuel capacity 16 gallons
Fuel delivery Sequential mechanical returnless
Oil capacity 8 quarts with filter (10,000-mile service interval)

Optional 6-speed automatic
Gear ratios
1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
5th 0.87
6th 0.69
Final drive 3.15:1

SUSPENSION
Front Reverse-L independent MacPherson strut, 34.6-mm tubular stabilizer bar
Rear 3-link solid (limited slip) axle with coil springs
and Panhard rod and 44.0-mm solid stabilizer bar

STEERING
Type Electric Power Assist Steering (EPAS) with rack-and-pinion gear
Ratio 15.8:1
Turning circle curb-to-curb 33.4 ft. (est.)

BRAKES
Type Four-wheel power disc brakes with 4-sensor,
4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Front 336 (13.2 in) x 36 mm vented discs,
twin-piston 43-mm floating aluminum calipers
Rear
300 (11.8 in) x 19 mm vented discs,
single-piston 43-mm floating iron calipers

TIRE AND WHEELS (TYPE, SIZE)
Standard P235/50R-18 all-season
18 x 8.0-inch wide spoke painted aluminum wheels
Standard aluminum wheel mini-spare
Optional 18 x 8.5-inch premium painted aluminum wheels
19 x8.5-inch machined face with painted spoke aluminum wheels
18 x8.0-inch sterling gray metallic painted aluminum wheels (MCAS Edition)
19 x8.5-inch machined face with argent painted aluminum wheels (GT/CS)
19 x9.0-inch dark-stainless premium painted aluminum wheels
(Brembo Brake Package)

DIMENSIONS (inches unless otherwise noted)
Coupe Convertible

EXTERIOR
Wheelbase 107.1 107.1
Overall length 188.1 188.1
Overall width 73.9 73.9
Overall height 55.8 55.8
Track, front/rear 62.3/62.9 62.0/62.9

INTERIOR
Seating capacity 4 4
Front headroom 38.5 38.8
Front legroom 42.4 42.4
Front shoulder room 55.3 55.3
Front hip room 53.4 53.4
Rear headroom 34.7 36.5
Rear legroom 29.8 29.8
Rear shoulder room 51.6 45.0
Rear hip room 46.8 45.2

WEIGHTS AND CAPACITIES
SAE passenger volume 83.3 cu. ft. 81.0 cu. ft.
Cargo volume 13.4 cu. ft. 9.6 cu. ft.
Maximum towing capacity
(properly equipped)
1,000 lbs. 1,000 lbs.

FUEL ECONOMY (city/hwy) 6-speed Automatic 6-speed Manual
5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V-8 17/25 (est.) 16/24 (est.)

BASE CURB WEIGHT (POUNDS)
Manual transmission 3,875 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Automatic transmission 4,000 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Weight distribution (f/r) 54/46 (est.) 54/46 (est.)

Just found this: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...-Liter-Engine/

Supposedly a 10lbs. weight gain only.

Z28x

Camaro still has more HP/Tq and will likely still be faster as long as gearing is similar. I'd like to see the 5th gen get direct injection on the V8.

Mustang GT will weight about the same as a Camaro SS

Back in the early 2000's all people did is complain about how the next Camaro needed IRS standard. I don't know of any imports that don't have IRS.

wbt

Not likely. The Mustang is projected to run a mid 4 0-60 and 12 sec. 1/4 mile.

If you click on the link at the bottom of my specs post you will see that the non-vert will gain about 10 lbs. Still puts it at 300lbs. less than the Camaro.

The Camaro will have the advantage in the aftermarket parts and response to mods.


Throw some 4.30's in with some stickies and I would venture to say low 12's for the Mustang with the occasional 11 sec. run here and there.
Stock for stock the Mustang will win in all areas of performance.

yellow_99_gt

They updated the specs on the Ford site. Now it says 3603lbs for a manual GT coupe.

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

Should be pretty fast. The 2000 Cobra R was 3600lbs and it ran mid-high 12's with 30 less hp and a wheel hopping IRS.

boomer78

That's funny

Bob Cosby

Or not.

besz28

get an 09 corvette and never look back

wbt

I would love to but have a couple of kiddos that I could use a backseat for.

HAZ-Matt

Just get a hitch and a trailer