Let's talk engines for a minute....
12-12-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
And I believe that the "mid level" Camaro should have an LS2 then. The higher end one that comes out later can have something better.
1. 6 Cylinder
2. LS2
3. ????
It will be 2009 so who knows at what level the hp wars will be at then. A Z06 may well have a 600hp FI engine, so even an LS7 won't be out of the question, even if it isn't hand made or doesn't have dry sump oiling.
1. 6 Cylinder
2. LS2
3. ????
It will be 2009 so who knows at what level the hp wars will be at then. A Z06 may well have a 600hp FI engine, so even an LS7 won't be out of the question, even if it isn't hand made or doesn't have dry sump oiling.
12-12-2005, 09:11 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
Not to beat on the dead horse and totally dig up the issue AGAIN (ok, yes that's what I'm doing...) but I don't see the SS being some midrange offering w/ a Z28 being this 450+ hp super killer top model either. The Z28 has never been that... None of the previous arguments even approached making me think otherwise. It's pure revisionism to bring up the original 302 powered Zs and make them out to have been rulers of the street over the top SS cars... I have not really seen any insider info posted by Guy or similar to really hint at this midrange SS/topdog Z28 setup. Did I miss something, I keep seeing the same few select "non-insiders" posting how sure they are, but I'm not buying it??
I find it more likely if both models are offered at the same time (which I'm doubting for the first couple years at least) they'll have basically indentical engines with some slight suspension or cosmetic differences between the two, just like with the 4thgens and similarly the 3rdgens w/ the IROC and Z28... Guess we'll see...
I find it more likely if both models are offered at the same time (which I'm doubting for the first couple years at least) they'll have basically indentical engines with some slight suspension or cosmetic differences between the two, just like with the 4thgens and similarly the 3rdgens w/ the IROC and Z28... Guess we'll see...
12-12-2005, 09:14 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
I'm hoping for a version of the F119-PW-100 complete with thrust vectoring.
12-12-2005, 10:20 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by turbo96z28
the only problem i see with that is the jump from the V6 to the V8. although i do like the pricing bracket you came up with, i think it would be to GMs disadvantage to only seperate the SS and RS by $2000, but offer so much more performance. i think having the models seperated by 75-100hp respectively using your prices would seem more logical and more consumer friendly.
Base: 3.9L V6
RS : 5.3L LS4
SS : 6.0L LS2
Z/28: 6.2L LS3
Make the RS a separate model, with the entry-level V8. bump it to 325 HP, covers the Mustang GT. The SS will handle any import pretenders to the throne, and the Z/28 will take care of the DCX offerings. Sound good?
12-12-2005, 10:34 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by skorpion317
how about this, then?
Base: 3.9L V6-250hp
RS : 5.3L LS4-325hp
SS : 6.0L LS2-400hp
Z/28: LS7-475hp
Make the RS a separate model, with the entry-level V8. bump it to 325 HP, covers the Mustang GT. The SS will handle any import pretenders to the throne, and the Z/28 will take care of the DCX offerings. Sound good?
Base: 3.9L V6-250hp
RS : 5.3L LS4-325hp
SS : 6.0L LS2-400hp
Z/28: LS7-475hp
Make the RS a separate model, with the entry-level V8. bump it to 325 HP, covers the Mustang GT. The SS will handle any import pretenders to the throne, and the Z/28 will take care of the DCX offerings. Sound good?
now it does.
12-12-2005, 11:12 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by turbo96z28
now it does.
.....Although, I'm sure the LS7 is a bolt-in away from being there
12-12-2005, 11:14 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by skorpion317
yeah, that would be nice, but i'm trying to think realistically here. The Corvette guys will bitch that the LS7 is theirs and no one else's, and the whole idea will get canned. The LS3 is much more likely than the LS7 to appear in the engine bay of a Camaro.
.....Although, I'm sure the LS7 is a bolt-in away from being there
.....Although, I'm sure the LS7 is a bolt-in away from being there
12-12-2005, 11:16 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by 91Z-28
By 2009, there may be a much more powerful engine than the LS7 in a Corvette.
say it with me....Corvette LS9
if GM sees so fit, that should free up the Ls7 for "other" models
12-12-2005, 11:25 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by OctaneZ28
I've posted this engine lineup before, and I think it makes sense:
Base V6: 245hp 3.9L V6
RS: Base - 270hp 3.9L V6, optional 310hp 5.3L V8
SS: 360hp 5.3L V8
Z/28: 425hp 6.2L V8
Base V6: 245hp 3.9L V6
RS: Base - 270hp 3.9L V6, optional 310hp 5.3L V8
SS: 360hp 5.3L V8
Z/28: 425hp 6.2L V8
12-12-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: Let's talk engines for a minute....
Originally Posted by stars1010
Not trying to flame you but would you like to elaborate?