Here's a great idea... Hybrid Camaro!
05-27-2007, 05:45 AM
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I don't see why the Camaro couldn't be E85, it's 110 Octane isn't it?
Not to mention it's a hell of a lot cheaper than C16
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower.../saltflats.htm
"General Motors Performance Division's GM Student Cobalt driven by Mark Dickens went 172.680 mph at Bonneville Speed Weeks August 2006, setting a new record for G/FCC class on E85 fuel. This run broke a 19-year-old record of 152.626 mph set by Doc Jeffries in 1987"
Not to mention it's a hell of a lot cheaper than C16
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower.../saltflats.htm
"General Motors Performance Division's GM Student Cobalt driven by Mark Dickens went 172.680 mph at Bonneville Speed Weeks August 2006, setting a new record for G/FCC class on E85 fuel. This run broke a 19-year-old record of 152.626 mph set by Doc Jeffries in 1987"
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05-29-2007, 08:40 AM
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I don't see why the Camaro couldn't be E85, it's 110 Octane isn't it?
Not to mention it's a hell of a lot cheaper than C16
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower.../saltflats.htm
"General Motors Performance Division's GM Student Cobalt driven by Mark Dickens went 172.680 mph at Bonneville Speed Weeks August 2006, setting a new record for G/FCC class on E85 fuel. This run broke a 19-year-old record of 152.626 mph set by Doc Jeffries in 1987"
Not to mention it's a hell of a lot cheaper than C16
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower.../saltflats.htm
"General Motors Performance Division's GM Student Cobalt driven by Mark Dickens went 172.680 mph at Bonneville Speed Weeks August 2006, setting a new record for G/FCC class on E85 fuel. This run broke a 19-year-old record of 152.626 mph set by Doc Jeffries in 1987"
05-29-2007, 10:46 AM
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The problem with a hybrid Camaro is weight is going to kill performance. In order to satisfy the greenies it would need to be a true hybrid and not some quasi hybrid like in the hybrid versions of the Silverado and Tahoe. Something along the lines of the Lexus 460h might work, except that the price would be rediculous and way out of line for a "Camaro".
The Volt is a better prospect for this.
The Volt is a better prospect for this.
05-29-2007, 11:34 AM
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As long as the car doesn't have batteries. I can't wait until all the Prius owners start getting the bill for replacing all of those batteries when they start failing. IMHO, the fuel source should not have an expiration date on it.
Think about how troublesome batteries are on cordless drills and cell phones. They are good for about a year or more and then they no longer last nearly as when they were new.
If GM incorporates hybrid technology, find something besides batteries!
Think about how troublesome batteries are on cordless drills and cell phones. They are good for about a year or more and then they no longer last nearly as when they were new.
If GM incorporates hybrid technology, find something besides batteries!
05-29-2007, 12:08 PM
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As long as the car doesn't have batteries. I can't wait until all the Prius owners start getting the bill for replacing all of those batteries when they start failing. IMHO, the fuel source should not have an expiration date on it.
Think about how troublesome batteries are on cordless drills and cell phones. They are good for about a year or more and then they no longer last nearly as when they were new.
If GM incorporates hybrid technology, find something besides batteries!
Think about how troublesome batteries are on cordless drills and cell phones. They are good for about a year or more and then they no longer last nearly as when they were new.
If GM incorporates hybrid technology, find something besides batteries!
The battery prices are coming down a lot and will continue to do so as the technology matures. I'm not saying it's not a problem at all, but I don't think it will end up being that big of a deal in the long run. I think the Prius batteries have gone from like $10,000 to $2,000 in a handful of years. The hybrid components and battery are warranted for 8 years/100,000 miles.
I would seriously consider a hybrid Camaro if it was priced somewhere between a regular V6 and a V8 and had good performance and gas mileage.
I've been really impressed with what I've read so far about GMs new Two Mode Hybrid system. This is no "quasi" hybrid.
If they can make Volt at a price competitive with the Prius, a Hybrid Camaro at a reasonable price isn't out of the question.
05-29-2007, 05:10 PM
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I'd be willing to buy a hybrid Camaro probably. It'd be interesting if some sort of electric motor could help assist your acceleration from 0-30 mph. That's the only thing that kills my mileage; that neighborhood stop and go traffic from stop sign to stop sign.
05-29-2007, 05:40 PM
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I made some comments about the feasibility of a hybrid a year ago...
Hybrids are not necessarily "slow" and having a hybrid model would be a great way to introduc hybrid technology into people who would have the skills and testosterone to actually play with it. My original thought was a hybrid as opposed to a V6 version to open the Camaro to a new market segment.
Lexus has a pretty quick hybrid already out. The hybrid Civic and Camry, although not sports cars, are certainly quick enough to spin the tires and be "fun" to drive for the average consumer.
The performamce differential between the V8 and hybrid would be significant and if the Camaro were designed to handle the heavy batteries and hybrid technology it could be even lighter in V8 form.
However I'm guessing the core designs have long been finalized but I think it is a neat idea.
Hybrids are not necessarily "slow" and having a hybrid model would be a great way to introduc hybrid technology into people who would have the skills and testosterone to actually play with it. My original thought was a hybrid as opposed to a V6 version to open the Camaro to a new market segment.
Lexus has a pretty quick hybrid already out. The hybrid Civic and Camry, although not sports cars, are certainly quick enough to spin the tires and be "fun" to drive for the average consumer.
The performamce differential between the V8 and hybrid would be significant and if the Camaro were designed to handle the heavy batteries and hybrid technology it could be even lighter in V8 form.
However I'm guessing the core designs have long been finalized but I think it is a neat idea.
