R.i.p. Z/28
09-03-2008, 10:50 PM
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well -- we love HuJass-- but trust me - putting an LS7 in a Camaro would price it out of site...............there are other ways to do a Z28.....
All: it ain't dead! It's on hold. We must rethink EVERY entry -- car/truck/crossover -- simply go look at the sales figures for July and August - if that isn't a 'reality slap in the face' -- nothing is!
09-03-2008, 11:01 PM
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At the risk of fear mongering, there's an interview with Bob Lutz where he directly addresses a higher performance Camaro. There's another thread discussing it, but I figured I'd post it here since it directly mentions what we all assumed was the Z/28.
Key Quote:
“I get letters from people saying they heard we were going to add a supercharged 600-hp V-8 to the Camaro lineup, and I write back saying ‘Sorry, with new (corporate average fuel economy) standards (for 2020), we aren’t going to do it.”
The new minimum CAFE standard of 35 mpg (6.7 L/100 km) in 2020 and additional pressure from California and 15 other states to limit carbon dioxide is part of what may force Chrysler LLC to jettison its Viper high-performance model. Chrysler said this week it was examining options for its Viper business, including a sale.
“Setting lower CO2 limits would equal setting CAFE at 43 mpg (5.5 L/100 km),” Lutz says. “This is why the sale of the Dodge Viper by Chrysler makes sense, because anyone selling fewer than 50,000 vehicles annually would be exempt (from fuel-economy requirements).
“So if someone else bought Viper, they could sell to capacity, but Chrysler couldn’t. This is why we are concerned about Corvette.
“The reason California set the exemption for less than 50,000 units is that it would mean the Hollywood folks could keep driving their Lamborghinis and Ferraris.”
Based on the 50,000-unit exemption “Porsche could sell 11-mpg (21.4 L/100 km) Cayennes, but we couldn’t sell 20-mpg (11.8 L/100 km) Chevy Tahoes,” Lutz adds.
I hope this makes everyone as mad as it does me - and not at GM, but at the people and their representatives who agree to these stupid regulations. They will kill the automotive industry if given the chance, and destroy manufacturing in this country in the process all because of a knee-jerk solution to an questionable problem.
Thread:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=632428
Original Article:
http://wardsauto.com/ar/lutz_break_testing_080829/
Key Quote:
“I get letters from people saying they heard we were going to add a supercharged 600-hp V-8 to the Camaro lineup, and I write back saying ‘Sorry, with new (corporate average fuel economy) standards (for 2020), we aren’t going to do it.”
The new minimum CAFE standard of 35 mpg (6.7 L/100 km) in 2020 and additional pressure from California and 15 other states to limit carbon dioxide is part of what may force Chrysler LLC to jettison its Viper high-performance model. Chrysler said this week it was examining options for its Viper business, including a sale.
“Setting lower CO2 limits would equal setting CAFE at 43 mpg (5.5 L/100 km),” Lutz says. “This is why the sale of the Dodge Viper by Chrysler makes sense, because anyone selling fewer than 50,000 vehicles annually would be exempt (from fuel-economy requirements).
“So if someone else bought Viper, they could sell to capacity, but Chrysler couldn’t. This is why we are concerned about Corvette.
“The reason California set the exemption for less than 50,000 units is that it would mean the Hollywood folks could keep driving their Lamborghinis and Ferraris.”
Based on the 50,000-unit exemption “Porsche could sell 11-mpg (21.4 L/100 km) Cayennes, but we couldn’t sell 20-mpg (11.8 L/100 km) Chevy Tahoes,” Lutz adds.
I hope this makes everyone as mad as it does me - and not at GM, but at the people and their representatives who agree to these stupid regulations. They will kill the automotive industry if given the chance, and destroy manufacturing in this country in the process all because of a knee-jerk solution to an questionable problem.
Thread:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=632428
Original Article:
http://wardsauto.com/ar/lutz_break_testing_080829/
09-04-2008, 12:13 AM
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well -- we love HuJass-- but trust me - putting an LS7 in a Camaro would price it out of site...............there are other ways to do a Z28.....
All: it ain't dead! It's on hold. We must rethink EVERY entry -- car/truck/crossover -- simply go look at the sales figures for July and August - if that isn't a 'reality slap in the face' -- nothing is!
All: it ain't dead! It's on hold. We must rethink EVERY entry -- car/truck/crossover -- simply go look at the sales figures for July and August - if that isn't a 'reality slap in the face' -- nothing is!
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as a matter of fact, i believe thats sig worthy
09-04-2008, 04:51 AM
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How much more is the LS7 vs. the LS3 in terms of cost (GM's cost, not retail)?
If it is so much more, I could only surmise that the LS9 or LSA is significantly more than that, right?
So what's left as another Z/28 engine option?
09-04-2008, 05:59 AM
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09-04-2008, 07:45 AM
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09-04-2008, 07:56 AM
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LS7 is hand built, LSA's aren't. More expensive parts used for LS7.
09-04-2008, 08:13 AM
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So after the recession and when sales improve enough that GM would consider a monster motor Camaro, maybe the Z28 will come off hold, unless GM is in negotiations with the Federal Government for a chunk of that $50 billion loan.
09-04-2008, 08:13 AM
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i dont know if the LSA is done this way, but i konw that the LS7 is built by hand, thus increasing the motors price considerably. Not to mention, again im not sure the LSA has this or not, but the LS7 has Titanium all through that thing, rods, etc.. so cost of materials are also higher. or that would be my 2 guesses off the top of my head.
I know the Z/28 is not dead... I know its on hold... and for now thats fine by me, as im not yet ready to buy (promised the next car is the wife's to choose, and she's going for a G8 I think) and when I am ready, I'm hoping to find my beloved Z/28 on lots agian.
I know the Z/28 is not dead... I know its on hold... and for now thats fine by me, as im not yet ready to buy (promised the next car is the wife's to choose, and she's going for a G8 I think) and when I am ready, I'm hoping to find my beloved Z/28 on lots agian.
09-04-2008, 08:39 AM
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well -- we love HuJass-- but trust me - putting an LS7 in a Camaro would price it out of site...............there are other ways to do a Z28.....
All: it ain't dead! It's on hold. We must rethink EVERY entry -- car/truck/crossover -- simply go look at the sales figures for July and August - if that isn't a 'reality slap in the face' -- nothing is!
All: it ain't dead! It's on hold. We must rethink EVERY entry -- car/truck/crossover -- simply go look at the sales figures for July and August - if that isn't a 'reality slap in the face' -- nothing is!
09-04-2008, 10:16 AM
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09-04-2008, 11:19 AM
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09-04-2008, 11:24 AM
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The LSA is pretty well maxed out from the factory. The LSA is not the LS9.
