NEWS: Priced: 2010 Ford Mustang Undercuts Base 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
#31
but even then, the torque curves he is talking about is cars at part throttle and not at WOT, where dyno graphs are typically done at.
#32
it doesnt even really matter what the BASE price is. when was the last time you know of anyone who ordered a "base" car? they use the base price to get you into the dealership and then when your in there they sell you a car on the lot. which most of the time has alot of extras on it. so maybe what they need to find out is what do the cars cost with the same amount of goodies in both. the camaro i would have expected to be more than the mustang just because almost everything seen is standard. mustangs have to pay for some of the things the camaro gets added in the "base price".
#33
That is, if were still buying one or two.
But I can see the price difference being a factor for alot potential buyers.
#34
I'd like to see those graphs too, but when both engines are NA, low RPM is where extra displacement really makes a difference.
#35
Where did the $4K figure come from again?
Camaro 2SS starts at $34,180
Mustang Convertible GT Premium starts at $36,845
So lets say that the 'vert is $4K more (even tho this is speculation atm) that makes the GT Premium start at $32,845
bringing the grand difference to $1,335.00 I'm sorry but at that difference the Camaro Embarasses the Mustang
and for fun imagine if the 'vert only cost $3K more........ $335 more for the Camaro
Camaro 2SS starts at $34,180
Mustang Convertible GT Premium starts at $36,845
So lets say that the 'vert is $4K more (even tho this is speculation atm) that makes the GT Premium start at $32,845
bringing the grand difference to $1,335.00 I'm sorry but at that difference the Camaro Embarasses the Mustang
and for fun imagine if the 'vert only cost $3K more........ $335 more for the Camaro
Last edited by super83Z; 12-04-2008 at 06:42 PM.
#36
The base mustang will get its a** kicked big time by the standard V6 Camaro. The V6 Camaro might even give the V8 Mustang GT a run for its money. A lot of Mustang owners are going to be depressed over the perfomance of the Mustang on the street compared to the Camaro.
Really?
You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?
Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.
Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.
#37
well too bad. but still if the standard things on the camaro compared to the not so standard base model mustang, its what a few hundred dollars? thats not too bad of a deal no matter how much you dont like all the conveniences it offers over the mustang.
#38
Really?
You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?
Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.
Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.
You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?
Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.
Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.
#39
Make fun all you want, but here's a sample of what they're already starting to write....
Stepping up to a V8-powered Mustang will reportedly run you $27,995 – quite a bit cheaper than the V8-powered Camaro's $30,995 sticker. Dodge's entry runs $30,545 for the base R/T model and its HEMI V8. It's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, of course, as the Mustang GT is down a bit on horsepower compared to its rivals, but we think the GT's cut-rate pricing should be more than enough to keep Ford's pony at the top of the sales charts.
#40
How did you get to be a moderator w/ the inflamatory tone of your posts?
Last edited by CLEAN; 12-05-2008 at 11:42 AM.
#41
Where did the $4K figure come from again?
Camaro 2SS starts at $34,180
Mustang Convertible GT Premium starts at $36,845
So lets say that the 'vert is $4K more (even tho this is speculation atm) that makes the GT Premium start at $32,845
bringing the grand difference to $1,335.00 I'm sorry but at that difference the Camaro Embarasses the Mustang
and for fun imagine if the 'vert only cost $3K more........ $335 more for the Camaro
Camaro 2SS starts at $34,180
Mustang Convertible GT Premium starts at $36,845
So lets say that the 'vert is $4K more (even tho this is speculation atm) that makes the GT Premium start at $32,845
bringing the grand difference to $1,335.00 I'm sorry but at that difference the Camaro Embarasses the Mustang
and for fun imagine if the 'vert only cost $3K more........ $335 more for the Camaro
Base price of the 2010 Premium GT is $30,095, or $4085 difference over the 2SS. Sorry, I rounded down to make it a nice round number. And a GT premium vert doesnt START at 36,845, that's the price when you load out the car.
Last edited by CLEAN; 12-05-2008 at 08:17 AM.
#42
-Geoff
#43
Being a moderator just means that I help keep the board clear of political/religious posts and other violations of the user agreement. It doesn't mean that I'm not entitled to my opinion, nor does it mean I'm not allowed to use sarcasm (or, as you call it, "inflammatory tone") to express it.
#44
I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Camaro's pricing was worked out. Like I said previously, if the new Camaro appealed to me and met my specs, I'd pay the 4 grand premium in a heartbeat. In fact, I've been a proponent of the Camaro moving slightly upmarket, my reasoning being that it would theoretically allow the car to be better.
The curious thing for me here though, is that GM so painstakingly benchmarked the Mustang in agonizing detail. Even, in my opinion, compromising the 'ponycar' formula during/because of said benchmarkiing. And we've been force fed the notion that using, what some of us may consider an inappropriate architecture, was necessary in order for the car to be "affordable".
But in in the end, the Camaro was priced, essentially a whole price class higher.
Last edited by Z284ever; 12-05-2008 at 08:59 AM.
#45
Really?
You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?
Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.
Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.
You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?
Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.
Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.
It has become the norm for many people to post a cars best times as normal.
Quoting a 13.2 for the Bullitt is like quoting a 12.9 for the 4th Gen Camaro, an 11.8 for the C5Z06, a 10.9 for the C6Z06, a 12.2 for the GT500, etc. etc.
Quoting the very best times is sooooo misleading and such a bad way to compare two typical cars and drivers. There have been several tests of Bullitts in the 13.4 to 13.6 range and that is certainly more likely what most of us will see them run with good drivers. About equal to the best times of the 2009 GT. Sounds reasonable right.
Could that give a 2010 SS a run for its money, I think it could. I dont think this will be the norm, but Ford has done a very good job with the weight and gearing of the 2010 GT.
BIG THING TO REMEMBER HERE. We keep talking about the OPTIONAL 3.73 gears on the 2010 GT as if every single GT ordered is going to have them. This simply will not be the case. With 3.55 gears, the GT is not a threat at all.
Another way to look at it, with good drivers, the 4th Gen Camaro and 2010 GT with optional 3.73 gears should be competitive. The GT is equal to or slightly lighter in weight and while down on power, has better gearing. So for stop light races and anything up to around 100mph, the GT will be very competitive.
So one has to ask themselves, will the 2010 SS be faster than a 4th Gen??? I think so.
***My prediction: we will see a best of 12.7 from the Camaro SS, which is a full HALF SECOND faster than the Bullitts (2010 GT w/3.73 gears) best. Thats an a$$ whoopin***
Last edited by ZZtop; 12-05-2008 at 09:15 AM.