Originally Posted by 97QuasarBlue3.8

Styling is usually not included in arguments of refinement. Perceptions of styling are highly subjective whereas refinement is more objective--measurable by things like types of materials used, tolerances, available features and options, engineering aspects, etc.

And since the guy doesn't currently claim to own a 5th gen car, we're assuming <2002 model year V6 Camaro and prior.

Do you really want to get into this argument with me?

Originally Posted by speeding2fast2c

Trust me I completely understand the fact that his comment was sarcastic. I didn't actually think that he thought I thought he was an engineer for that matter. I can use sarcasism too! I suggest that you read things a little more and undertsand what you are reading before you reply back. The whole point of my comment to him was the fact that he isn't an engineer (I'm not an engineer, and I have no doubt that you're not an engineer) and probably will never really know why the decissions on what materials to use, where to place this button or that item, or whatever. Things are done for certain reasons that the consumer may never understand.

And, NO I don't believe that my comment sounded foolish at all, having skimmed it or not. In fact, I fully read the part he said about the "t-tops" and might have even read it a little closer then you. Here it is again....

If you read the bold print part of it, it might be a little clearer as to why I made the comment I did. I know he is not trying to advocate the t-tops, but I wasn't sure if he understood why it wasn't something this model will be offering. It has been mentioned in other posts before and people are still crying over the issue. Deal with it, and if you want the view of the sky, then wait for the convertible!!!

Originally Posted by JeremyNYR

It's obvious that I'm not the only one here to differ with your reading comprehension, so I'll just say again that I didn't interpret the t-top comments the same way you appeared to in your first reply. Also, notice that I too highlighted part of your post in bold. No Doubt, huh? Well it turns out that I am an Engineer. In fact, I'm an engineer in manufacturing with the degree and current employment and everything that goes with it. However, I didn't need to draw upon any engineering knowledge in this post... just what I learned in high school english class.

Originally Posted by BigDarknFast

You seem to have two sets of standards. One, for the imports you clearly favor. The other, much more demanding and lofty, for American cars like the new Camaro. That's what troubles me.

Originally Posted by speeding2fast2c

I don't know about any one else, but in MY OPINION, the materials used, tolerances, available features and options, engineering aspects, etc.......those all play into the styling of a vehicle.

Originally Posted by speeding2fast2c

All I said is that I chose not to buy it because it had the electrical issues. I can clearly see the fact that you own two VW's, and that is making me probably.....NO.....wait......that is definitely making me take you less serious.

I got you covered BigDarknFast....Do you really want to argue with me 97QuasarBlue3.8 (which given the content of your screen name, I would bet that you have a 3.8 V6 as well, probably the one Chevrolet)

Originally Posted by 97QuasarBlue3.8

You need to sort yourself. Styling is subjective, i.e. "you like the way it looks." Refinement is more objective and has a lot of measurable components. I take you less seriously not because of what you own/ed, but because you aren't making logical arguments.