Chevrolet reviving Z28 as a 2012 model?
12-03-2010, 09:28 AM
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Chevrolet reviving Z28 as a 2012 model?
The Detroit Free Press is reporting this morning that the GM plans to launch the Camaro Z28 late next year or early in 2012, with an engine that will likely displace 6.2 liters.
No official word from General Motors, and when asked for a comment "
GM spokesman Pat Morrissey said the company does not comment on future vehicle plans".
Read more: Chevrolet will revive its high-performance Camaro Z28 as a 2012 model | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/2010120...#ixzz173xCtofR
No official word from General Motors, and when asked for a comment "
GM spokesman Pat Morrissey said the company does not comment on future vehicle plans".
Read more: Chevrolet will revive its high-performance Camaro Z28 as a 2012 model | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/2010120...#ixzz173xCtofR
12-03-2010, 09:29 AM
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Re: Chevrolet reviving Z28 as a 2012 model?
Ehhh, it's a blah article that is filled with nothing but vague speculations and assumptions that don't have enough facts to back them up. I've read a few articles on the supposed Z28 from other autoblogs and magazines and this is probably one of the weakest. Sorry if the editor of the article reads this but I think some of the numbers maybe a little off. But if I am wrong, I will gladly admiting to it.
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12-06-2010, 11:57 AM
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The new Z/28 will be more along the lines of the GT500 compared. It will likely be adding mass to the already portly Camaro by adding supercharger to the 6.2L. It will still go stonking fast, I'm guessing, if we use the 4300 lb CTS-V with the same drivetrain as an indicator. BUT...
Some feel the new Z/28 would be better if it were more along the lines of the new BOSS Mustang. Put a high output, naturally aspirated engine under the hood, and seriously go after the handling prowess to make it a track-worthy car.
Obviously we don't know the full details of the new supercharged Camaro yet, but odds are it will be more like the GT500 than the Boss. I think this is what OutsiderIroc was getting at...
I have to admit, it would be pretty cool to see what an LS7-equipped Z/28, with some weight taken out and an intense focus on handling, would be capable of doing. But I'm excited to see the Z/28 (or whatever they call it) nonetheless.
12-06-2010, 12:06 PM
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As for what I remember, as I bought a 1969 Z/28 in 1969, perhaps it is suggested that a lightweight, no AC, pay additional $ to get rear disc brakes, no abs, no traction controlled, no stabilization system, no cat, no airbagged, no OnStar'ed, lap belt only, non computer engine controlled, Holley carburated, soild lifter equipped, steel wheeled, bias ply tire'd, 4 speed manual only, 14+ second 1/4 mile time, vinyl and cloth seated, street/roadcourse stormer is preferrable.
The cool thing was you could actually set camber, in the front only, which wasn't possible with the original Z/28...
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12-06-2010, 05:30 PM
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The original Z/28, back in the late '60s, was a road course ready version of the Camaro. It had beefed up suspension and brakes and a high winding, SMALLER engine than you got on other Camaros (and I think it was underrated in the power department0. The "regular" Camaro V8s were 350 or 396 cid or whatever. The Z/28 used a little 302
(max size allowed in the Trans Am racing series, I think), but it spun to high revs and made lots of horsepower.
The new Z/28 will be more along the lines of the GT500 compared. It will likely be adding mass to the already portly Camaro by adding supercharger to the 6.2L. It will still go stonking fast, I'm guessing, if we use the 4300 lb CTS-V with the same drivetrain as an indicator. BUT...
Some feel the new Z/28 would be better if it were more along the lines of the new BOSS Mustang. Put a high output, naturally aspirated engine under the hood, and seriously go after the handling prowess to make it a track-worthy car.
(max size allowed in the Trans Am racing series, I think), but it spun to high revs and made lots of horsepower.
The new Z/28 will be more along the lines of the GT500 compared. It will likely be adding mass to the already portly Camaro by adding supercharger to the 6.2L. It will still go stonking fast, I'm guessing, if we use the 4300 lb CTS-V with the same drivetrain as an indicator. BUT...
Some feel the new Z/28 would be better if it were more along the lines of the new BOSS Mustang. Put a high output, naturally aspirated engine under the hood, and seriously go after the handling prowess to make it a track-worthy car.
The Oringinal Z28 DZ302 as you pointed out was only SMALLER due to the SCCA rules and would have been bigger in the original had SCCA allowed a bigger displacement. In fact in 1970 they did just that and went up in displacement. I also get the impression you are implying that CID Displacement has to do with size and therefore weight. The "regular" Camaro's 350 you mention (which what was in my '69 btw out of the Tonowanda factory) I believe was the same or similar block to the DZ302. There was also the 307 small block.
So vehicle and supercharger aside if the original Z28 DZ302 was a high horsepower Small Block, I am REALLY having trouble understanding how the high horse 6.2L LS series motor doesnt hit the mark dead on. (LS3 for instance 422hp and redlines at 6k)
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12-06-2010, 06:37 PM
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Re: Chevrolet reviving Z28 as a 2012 model?
SCCA homologation required a maximum 5.0L displacement for 500 min. run production units, which is why the Z/28 came to be. In 1970 they changed the rules to allow manufacturers to use a different displacement for production, but still limited V8 sedans to 5.0L in race trim. Had this been allowed in 1967, the Z/28 would have never been born, as the SS-350 and L30/M20 production cars would have complied with the rules.
12-06-2010, 07:50 PM
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Ok everything else aside I am really having a hard time understanding your logic in the engine department.
The Oringinal Z28 DZ302 as you pointed out was only SMALLER due to the SCCA rules and would have been bigger in the original had SCCA allowed a bigger displacement. In fact in 1970 they did just that and went up in displacement. I also get the impression you are implying that CID Displacement has to do with size and therefore weight. The "regular" Camaro's 350 you mention (which what was in my '69 btw out of the Tonowanda factory) I believe was the same or similar block to the DZ302. There was also the 307 small block.
So vehicle and supercharger aside if the original Z28 DZ302 was a high horsepower Small Block, I am REALLY having trouble understanding how the high horse 6.2L LS series motor doesnt hit the mark dead on. (LS3 for instance 422hp and redlines at 6k)
The Oringinal Z28 DZ302 as you pointed out was only SMALLER due to the SCCA rules and would have been bigger in the original had SCCA allowed a bigger displacement. In fact in 1970 they did just that and went up in displacement. I also get the impression you are implying that CID Displacement has to do with size and therefore weight. The "regular" Camaro's 350 you mention (which what was in my '69 btw out of the Tonowanda factory) I believe was the same or similar block to the DZ302. There was also the 307 small block.
So vehicle and supercharger aside if the original Z28 DZ302 was a high horsepower Small Block, I am REALLY having trouble understanding how the high horse 6.2L LS series motor doesnt hit the mark dead on. (LS3 for instance 422hp and redlines at 6k)
No, I'm not implying that displacement is the same as physical engine size. I'm well aware of the difference.
But the 302, while being similar in size / weight to the 350, was clearly smaller and lighter than the big block 396, while making similar power (and likely less peak torque). (BTW, the LS3 redlines at 6600, I think. Definitely over 6k.) Anyway, I'm not about to badmouth the LSA, supercharger or not. I'd love to have one! On the other hand, to me it is pretty easy to argue that the LS7 from the very light Z06 Corvette is more of a "spiritual successor" to the DZ302 than is the heavier (because of the blower and intercooler) LSA. I suppose one could say that, in a way, the LSA is more like a big block with the extra size and weight; the LS7 is a light and compact (despite its displacement) high revving motor. In reality, both are very powerful small blocks, but as I said, the LS7 seems to fit the profile a little better. AND, adding mass in the engine department is not going to be welcomed by those who already think the 5th gen is a bit pudgy.
12-06-2010, 09:21 PM
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Can't respond as to what the OP was talking about.
As for what I remember, as I bought a 1969 Z/28 in 1969, perhaps it is suggested that a lightweight, no AC, pay additional $ to get rear disc brakes, no abs, no traction controlled, no stabilization system, no cat, no airbagged, no OnStar'ed, lap belt only, non computer engine controlled, Holley carburated, soild lifter equipped, steel wheeled, bias ply tire'd, 4 speed manual only, 14+ second 1/4 mile time, vinyl and cloth seated, street/roadcourse stormer is preferrable.
The cool thing was you could actually set camber, in the front only, which wasn't possible with the original Z/28...
As for what I remember, as I bought a 1969 Z/28 in 1969, perhaps it is suggested that a lightweight, no AC, pay additional $ to get rear disc brakes, no abs, no traction controlled, no stabilization system, no cat, no airbagged, no OnStar'ed, lap belt only, non computer engine controlled, Holley carburated, soild lifter equipped, steel wheeled, bias ply tire'd, 4 speed manual only, 14+ second 1/4 mile time, vinyl and cloth seated, street/roadcourse stormer is preferrable.
The cool thing was you could actually set camber, in the front only, which wasn't possible with the original Z/28...
Paul my friend, you of all people understand what he's saying. The spirit of the Z/28 in a 21st century package.
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