Any idea as to what the cost will be?
09-19-2008, 03:58 PM
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Maybe this site could sponsor a raffle of sorts using PayPal: Everyone who wants to play kicks in $5 or $10 and makes his best guess about MSRP of each model. Then whoever gets closest when the prices are announced gets the pot. Maybe a separate pot for each model and the RS upgrade? Maybe to keep it simple go with the base prices without any options for each? Whatta ya think?
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09-19-2008, 04:11 PM
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Exactly. From almost all accounts, the base Camaro is a fantastic car. This doesn't mean that GM is going to abandon pricing the base Camaro as an upper-entry level car. The base Camaro has always been a car that was attainable for all. If they depart from that scheme I'm not sure the sales will be there. This is why I believe we will see the base Camaro for around $22k. If you can't get a Camaro for less then $25k then they will alienate the largest part of their market from the first 4 generations. And with the current market conditions I don't think GM can afford to do that.
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09-19-2008, 04:36 PM
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I don't think it will be quite that low, but I don't think 24 is unrealistic. I've not been so lucky as to see the production intent cars in person, but remember that those aren't "base" cars. We don't know what an LS with steelies and no spoiler looks like yet. And if it stays true to other Chevys, the LS will have lesser fabrics as well.
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09-19-2008, 04:44 PM
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If I recall correctly (IIRC) my 96 loaded Z28 was around 27k. This is 14 model years later. To think that even a base V6 will be 22k is naive IMO. It would be nice, it would boost sales through the roof, but I don't know how you (GM) obtains that pricing level at this time. It just doesn't feel "real". Two (2) percent increase a year would put that same Z28 @ 35,625. That seems like a real number and one they could beat down to 32-33k maybe. Sorry, 22k just doesn't compute; again especially after having seen one (pre-production) last week in person.
$21,995. I still say the base Camaro will be within $500 of this.
09-19-2008, 04:51 PM
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I don't think it will be quite that low, but I don't think 24 is unrealistic. I've not been so lucky as to see the production intent cars in person, but remember that those aren't "base" cars. We don't know what an LS with steelies and no spoiler looks like yet. And if it stays true to other Chevys, the LS will have lesser fabrics as well.
09-19-2008, 06:02 PM
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A Caddy engine with an A6 or M6 in the base Camaro is going to be more than $22,000. Also, Ford insiders claim that the base (deluxe) GT will be dropped for 2010 model year and the GT premium will become the only GT model. Gotta pay for the reskin somehow. The interior upgrade package (IUP) will become part of the standard price with which the Camaro SS and its price premium will be based on.
09-19-2008, 08:18 PM
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Well if the SS climbs to high into the 30's then it really wouldn't be a Camaro anymore.. ..It would honestly be a far wiser idea to just step up to a vette when you're dealing with that kind of money. That would be the same reason that the GTO's hit the market flat...
09-19-2008, 08:38 PM
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Well if the SS climbs to high into the 30's then it really wouldn't be a Camaro anymore.. ..It would honestly be a far wiser idea to just step up to a vette when you're dealing with that kind of money. That would be the same reason that the GTO's hit the market flat...
The GTO had no "heart" in that it wasn't from it's own roots. Pontiac rebadged a Monaro and said, here you go, the GTO is back. The Camaro isn't a rebadged anything. I would have hoped the Camaro marketing campaign would have hit the ground running; with "only" 5 months to go till production, we should be seeing this car almost daily in ads- and we aren't. Maybe that changes with Indy- I would hope so.
And the Camaro in the 30's doesn't remotely infringe on the Corvette starting at 46,950. The top of the line, ***** to the wall, RS/SS in the low to mid 30's (33-35) would still have to be considered the "bang for your buck" car that the Camaro historically has been. Keep in mind that my 04 GTO stickered at 33690, but to be fair, cost me 27 and change when all was said and done at model year end. The 05-06 models didn't see those kind of discounts.
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09-19-2008, 09:15 PM
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The GTO hit the market flat, IMO, because it was in too much of a hurry and had POOR marketing. I have an 04 so I can actually talk intelligently about this. By the 04 model year end, it was obviously apparent that there were design flaws, albeit mostly cosmetic, in year one. Year two brought true "looking" dual exhaust, 400 vs. 350 hp with the inclusion of the LS2, and a more aggressive (but non-functional) hood. By then, it was really too late.
The GTO had no "heart" in that it wasn't from it's own roots. Pontiac rebadged a Monaro and said, here you go, the GTO is back. The Camaro isn't a rebadged anything. I would have hoped the Camaro marketing campaign would have hit the ground running; with "only" 5 months to go till production, we should be seeing this car almost daily in ads- and we aren't. Maybe that changes with Indy- I would hope so.
And the Camaro in the 30's doesn't remotely infringe on the Corvette. The top of the line, ***** to the wall, RS/SS in the low to mid 30's (33-35) would still have to be considered the "bang for your buck" car that the Camaro historically has been. Keeping in mind that my 04 GTO stickered at 33690, but to be fair, cost me 27 and change when all was said and done at model year end. The 05-06 models didn't see those kind of discounts.
The GTO had no "heart" in that it wasn't from it's own roots. Pontiac rebadged a Monaro and said, here you go, the GTO is back. The Camaro isn't a rebadged anything. I would have hoped the Camaro marketing campaign would have hit the ground running; with "only" 5 months to go till production, we should be seeing this car almost daily in ads- and we aren't. Maybe that changes with Indy- I would hope so.
And the Camaro in the 30's doesn't remotely infringe on the Corvette. The top of the line, ***** to the wall, RS/SS in the low to mid 30's (33-35) would still have to be considered the "bang for your buck" car that the Camaro historically has been. Keeping in mind that my 04 GTO stickered at 33690, but to be fair, cost me 27 and change when all was said and done at model year end. The 05-06 models didn't see those kind of discounts.
09-19-2008, 09:20 PM
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Remember though, the Camaro will be built in mass #'s, up to 100K/year, unlike the GTO. That in itself will greatly reduce price. I say the SS will start in the upper 20's, loaded in the low 30's. Anything more than that will be just plain stupid for GM, especially when you get buy a brand new '08 base Vette for under $40K with the discounts right now!
09-19-2008, 10:25 PM
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I could see the base model LS V6 with steel wheels to be at $23,999 and the base model SS at $29,999. Just a hunch from what I've been seing and reading from various places. Both prices would be a premium over the Mustang but not priced out of the class.
That would mean a nicely equipped V6 LT RS would be near $26-27k and the SS/RS $32-33k.
That would mean a nicely equipped V6 LT RS would be near $26-27k and the SS/RS $32-33k.
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