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Old 10-29-2008, 04:24 PM   #46
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fair enuff ....but what your asking is like myself trying to have you explain a 10-16 call with 10-33 priority and 10-32 known with 1 possible 10-79 within the residence...its all good...just dont like socialism and somebody telling me what i can buy or not and that letter defiently smacks of GM trying to steer customers into vehicles they may or may not want...i would further opine that letter looks like it came from somebody at GM corporate and not from the desk of some manager at a local dealership..does not look good from where i stand...on a side note my brother just bought 2 new silverados for his business so i do thank you guys for offering employee pricing....

Socialism is a form of government whereby the government owns businesses, property, etc. By definition, GM CANNOT be "socialist" because, as big as GM is, it is not a government. The reason why some people here don't understand your post is because it makes no sense.
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Even if the 5th gen came ONLY with a V6, it would still be a CAFE liability. Starting in 2011 it's liability in that regard will be huge - and it will increase every year thereafter.

Those are the facts.
mmmmmmmmm.........kinda sorta not........

Each 'vehicle line' has an internal fuel economy number it must hit -- sales weighted -- and this helps the corp. hit the number it must hit. The good news is that we have Cobalt models right now rated at 37..........that's a start!
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mmmmmmmmm.........kinda sorta not........

Each 'vehicle line' has an internal fuel economy number it must hit -- sales weighted -- and this helps the corp. hit the number it must hit. The good news is that we have Cobalt models right now rated at 37..........that's a start!
Will Camaro hit that internal number post 2011?
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sure..long as you quit buying the SS and everybody is forced into the V6....hence "the letter"
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sure..long as you quit buying the SS and everybody is forced into the V6....hence "the letter"
4 pages trying to explain to you what the letter means and you still don't get it.
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"To date we have accepted over 6000 sold orders, 84% of which are SS. We will not be able to build in this model mix, so make sure you are setting your customer's expectations correctly to avoid the high potential for dissatisfaction. But keep taking sold orders !!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember, the allocation number we have given you is for the first 20,000 built covering production thru September. If things go right we will far surpass that number by year end."

Orders to date:

LS: 2%
1LT: 4%
2LT: 10%
1SS: 7%
2SS: 77%

This is supposedly a letter from GM to a dealer. Not sure of the validity. Any one have any thoughts?
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... the reactions to this doesn't dispel that axiom...

Having read a few GM letters and bulletins in my time, let me try to translate this for any interested.

Note the mention for the order slots available in the first allocation go 'round is 20,000. Far short of the intended production number, but it is the initial allocation.

The note goes on to say what percentages have been among the initial 6,000 SOLD ORDERS.

The big point in the note is "make sure you are setting your customer's expectations correctly to avoid the high potential for dissatisfaction".

What it doesn't say is that people won't get their car of choice. What it doesn't say is not to order 2SS if that's what the customer wants. What it does refer to is make sure to advise your customer they MAY see some 6 cylinder cars on the lots BEFORE they see their car being at the dealer.

What is also inferred is that there is a big potential for sales of less than fully equipped SS cars, thus don't make assumptions that the mix being seen is an indicator of what you should order when the system opens for non sold orders. The note is a reminder that this is early interest and not something to base your inventory on in the long run.

GM understands the excitement people have in ordering a new car. Particularly one as anticipated as the CAMARO. The note is all about being straight with the customer and nothing else is to be inferred.

Well... this is one fellow's reading of this. YMMV.

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Back in the 70s when the Trans Ams were selling faster then GM could build them what did they do?

I am very sure if the sales of the Camaro V8 or otherwise go crazy GM will be more then happy to figure out how to get everyone in their car,,, isn't their whole purpose to sell a bunch of cars???? Lots of cars would be a dream come true no???

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Will Camaro hit that internal number post 2011?
Yes.
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"The big point in the note is "make sure you are setting your customer's expectations correctly to avoid the high potential for dissatisfaction"."

Here is my expectation...GM had 4 months advanced notice of the exact car I ordered, and I expect a sold V8 to be built before an unsold V6.

Come March 09 and my dealer has 5 or 6 V6 Camaro's on the lot, and I'm given a run around as to why GM is still unable to build a SS. IF this is how things play out, I'll cancel this order and GM will never see a dime from me in the future. Also, this IS a last chance I'm willing to give GM to make me a happy GM customer.
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Even without Scott's intervention, I would have questioned the authenticity of the original message simply because it contained a string of twelve consecutive exclamation points, and I'm sure that GM isn't employing 14-year-old girls in whatever department is responsible for dealer relations.
You been talking to alot of 14 yr old girls online???? Any which way you wanna look at it, the figures from this 'letter' are FACTS. Scott would put an end to it if it wasnt. And ALL that the letter is trying to get across is that customers need to know if they continue to order mainly SS's, there WILL be a wait. Sounds like they're trying to be honest.
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You been talking to alot of 14 yr old girls online????
Just the ones that post on this board.
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Yes.
Whatever that internal number is, post-2011, GM will have to sell LOTS of Cruzes, Aveos and Cobalts to balance Camaro's CAFE numbers.


It's too bad Camaro won't have a version or two which is CAFE neutral or even positive. But, that's a different subject....
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Any which way you wanna look at it, the figures from this 'letter' are FACTS. Scott would put an end to it if it wasnt.
First of all, why did you create a new account when you already had one to start this thread? There's no need for more than one account here.

Second, the figures are NOT facts. Did you see post #15? Scott DID say it was wrong and DID put an end to it. I even edited YOUR first post in this thread to mention this so people wouldn't keep freaking out over wrong information, which YOU then edited back out. Why you would do that makes no sense but let's continue to keep things HONEST as you mentioned.

Here's the whole post that is somehow being missed:
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OK..once again - calm down.

(and I NEED TO CALM down because I want to wring the person's neck that put this message out to dealers -- and the person within the dealership that put the message out to YOU.......)

FIRST -- the number of units mentioned that we will produce is WRONG........we'll build more units than that barring any unforseen circumstances or work stoppages. (and I put that last line in there because NO ONE knows what will happen tomorrow.......)

SECOND -- we want each of you behind the steering wheel of your new Camaro........MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT..........LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN -- MAKE --- NO -- MISTAKE -- ABOUT -- IT...............
(...now go read it again!)

THIRD-- anyone who has any production planning management experience will understand that you do NOT tool to build 100 percent of anything when you offer choices -- NO ONE DOES . Let me say that again NO -- ONE -- DOES.............

The hardest thing (In my opinion) that we have to do is to forecast option load.........and I dare anyone on here to predict what the car will sell in terms of option load in the 2011 model year -

We are in FINE SHAPE right now. IF -- and that's a HUGE 'IF" the orders HAD come in at 100% SS -- and EVERY allocation had been spoken for (and that has not happened....) then we'd have some concern..........

So -- calm down.

Not everyone at GM is a walking moron.

Don't believe everything you read --esp. when you have no idea of the source.

REPEAT AFTER ME: WE WANT YOU BEHIND THE STEERING WHEELS OF YOUR NEW CAMAROS...............

Now -- one more favor:

DURING THE NEXT 'PANIC DU JOUR' -- (which, I'm confident will happen within the next few minutes........)

..........would you PLEASE just STOP for a minute and think:

"........Perhaps -- just perhaps -- GM has done this for many years -- and perhaps - just perhaps -- they know what they're doing -- and perhaps --just perhaps they DO care about us as evidenced by Fbodfather coming out here and calming us down every other day............."

and then think:

" I'd better be careful or Fbodfather just MAY have a stroke and die and IF he DIES he's gonna come back to haunt me with an entire fleet of black Suburbans...........and my life will be 'kaakaa'......"

So......let's PLEASE -- (I'm begging you......) STOP with the "Panic Du Jours"..........please?????


Thank you!

Now -- back to our regularly scheduled programming..........
Since this is all BS, I am closing this one down.
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