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Old 10-28-2008, 11:19 PM   #31
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Thats why the challenger is charged a 'gas guzzler' tax, right? Thank you GM.
More 30+ mpg cars than any one....
You're point? Besides your total fail in this post. All aboard the failboat!

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CAFE has been in effect since the late 70s........
And this was why I had to pay a gas guzzler fee on my GTO.
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:20 AM   #33
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all i can say is that. i hope GM sells a ton of SS' and just as many or more v6 camaros. as much as id hate to say it, i want camaros to be on every corner how the stang has been for the past... who knows. anyone can spice theirs up to look different.

and so i can buy mine a year or so old, and get a nice lil discount...
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all i can say is that. i hope GM sells a ton of SS' and just as many or more v6 camaros. as much as id hate to say it, i want camaros to be on every corner how the stang has been for the past... who knows. anyone can spice theirs up to look different.

and so i can buy mine a year or so old, and get a nice lil discount...
Chevy will sell a ton of SS's at the get-go as evidenced by the pre-order numbers. We knew that was coming- I would sure think they did too. The enthusiasts are always the first to order and rarely do they (we) order "base". That being said, IMO, after the initial push is over, my guess is that the V6 will be the bigger seller, mostly because of the 300HP pushing it. I expect 2011 ratios to be 60-65/40-35 in favor of the V6.
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if you're going to make a statement like that:

May I ask you to enlighten everyone on this board as to how CAFE is calculated and the effects it has on the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 model years?


I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't appreciate being called an idiot.

Do you have any Production Planning Experience? If not, may I please ask you to tone it down?
fair enuff ....but what your asking is like myself trying to have you explain a 10-16 call with 10-33 priority and 10-32 known with 1 possible 10-79 within the residence...its all good...just dont like socialism and somebody telling me what i can buy or not and that letter defiently smacks of GM trying to steer customers into vehicles they may or may not want...i would further opine that letter looks like it came from somebody at GM corporate and not from the desk of some manager at a local dealership..does not look good from where i stand...on a side note my brother just bought 2 new silverados for his business so i do thank you guys for offering employee pricing....
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CAFE has been in effect since the late 70s........
You are wrong.
i was meaning the new restrictions that are supposed to be in effect in 2011 or 12

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I don't get what you are trying to say....

If you think GM planned for and could actually build out an 84+ % V8 vs V6 buildout on Camaro for the entire model year and not have some sort of effect on their corporate CAFE figures, I'd have to say I think you just might be incorrect.

If you point is other than that, I am missing it.

You point out Challenger STR8 (not SRT10).......... do you think Chrysler has planned for an 84+% SRT8 buildout for the Challenger model year?!?


EDIT: And they never said they have already met the number of V8's than can be built in that letter... whether it is authentic or not... they simply said they can't sustain the PERCENTAGE OF BUILD.
could they build 84% of the 6,000 orders taken in v8 models....yes they can thats only 5,000 v8 camaros. now as far as 84% of 100,000 , no they cant. i dont know where your going with this but maybe you should quit drinking before you get on here.
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You're point? Besides your total fail in this post. All aboard the failboat!

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Wow.... My 'point' had to do with what Fbodfather said about CAFE being in affect since the late 70s, and that some muscle cars have to pay gas guzzler taxes. Thats why I said thank you to GM for giving a crap about fuel economy. The point of this thread was to let people know the ratios of what trim levels are selling. And the email that I included in the first post is legit. Scott said he wants to 'wring the neck' of who ever sent that out, and the neck of the dealer who then forwarded it to a customer. I was gonna tell you to get out of your moms basement and try and work on your people skills, but that would be rude and theres no need to be rude on here. If you dont like the thread, dont post.
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...just dont like socialism and somebody telling me what i can buy or not and that letter defiently smacks of GM trying to steer customers into vehicles they may or may not want...i would further opine that letter looks like it came from somebody at GM corporate and not from the desk of some manager at a local dealership..does not look good from where i stand...on a side note my brother just bought 2 new silverados for his business so i do thank you guys for offering employee pricing....
I think what the person who sent this email is trying to get across (and what I 'failed' to get across also) is that if customers continue to order at this pace/ratio, they're gonna have to wait for the SS's, and that the dealer needs to be sure and let the customer know there very well could be a delay. However, I dont know the person that sent the email, and its hard to READ some ones tone so I could be way off. I am a little familiar with Fbodfather (not personally) and I think that he is a good person and I believe that he represents GMs overall views.
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could they build 84% of the 6,000 orders taken in v8 models....yes they can thats only 5,000 v8 camaros. now as far as 84% of 100,000 , no they cant. i dont know where your going with this but maybe you should quit drinking before you get on here.

Erm...

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I wonder this too. My 2SS will be built during one of those model years.
I wonder if you'll be paying a gas guzzler tax?
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I wonder if you'll be paying a gas guzzler tax?
At that point I would assume so unless there is/are small updates to at least push fuel economy minisculely higher. But I doubt that and would probably prefer against it if performance is hindered in any shape or form.
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At that point I would assume so unless there is/are small updates to at least push fuel economy minisculely higher. But I doubt that and would probably prefer against it if performance is hindered in any shape or form.

Even if the 5th gen came ONLY with a V6, it would still be a CAFE liability. Starting in 2011 it's liability in that regard will be huge - and it will increase every year thereafter.

Those are the facts.
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