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Old 10-28-2008, 11:32 AM   #16
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that fully explains GM's problems..if that is not socialism i do not know what it is...some idiot at GM telling dealers to stear potential customers into a V6 because we just cannot have that...geez...what idiots is GM employing...i would be happy as hell for those sales numbers regardless if the vast majority of buyers wanted a honking V8 and not a miserly V6....yep that letter sums up the current state of GM nicely
if you're going to make a statement like that:

May I ask you to enlighten everyone on this board as to how CAFE is calculated and the effects it has on the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 model years?


I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't appreciate being called an idiot.

Do you have any Production Planning Experience? If not, may I please ask you to tone it down?
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They can't build that many V8's versus that many V6's based on whatever reason they have.

CAFE reasons, manufacturing process reasons, parts inventory reaosn, etc etc etc etc
cafe doesnt go into effect for a few years. that should have nothing to do tih it. they plann on selling 80,000 to 100,000 and their saying they have already met the amount of v8 they plan on producing? im calling BS here.
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cafe doesnt go into effect for a few years. that should have nothing to do tih it. they plann on selling 80,000 to 100,000 and their saying they have already met the amount of v8 they plan on producing? im calling BS here.

The CAFE changes do not go into effect untilt he next few years, but there are CAFE numbers to be dealt with right now.
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The Camaro news is like the stock market news nowadays. One headline erupts from the peanut gallery, and suddenly there are people screaming, spilling popcorn and drinks all over.

May I suggest we all get out of GM's kitchen and let them work?

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The CAFE changes do not go into effect untilt he next few years, but there are CAFE numbers to be dealt with right now.
yes but obviously its nothing that cant be handled. especially if dodge can make a challanger srt10. i think were fine.
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Even without Scott's intervention, I would have questioned the authenticity of the original message simply because it contained a string of twelve consecutive exclamation points, and I'm sure that GM isn't employing 14-year-old girls in whatever department is responsible for dealer relations.
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Even without Scott's intervention, I would have questioned the authenticity of the original message simply because it contained a string of twelve consecutive exclamation points, and I'm sure that GM isn't employing 14-year-old girls in whatever department is responsible for dealer relations.
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yes but obviously its nothing that cant be handled. especially if dodge can make a challanger srt10. i think were fine.

I don't get what you are trying to say....

If you think GM planned for and could actually build out an 84+ % V8 vs V6 buildout on Camaro for the entire model year and not have some sort of effect on their corporate CAFE figures, I'd have to say I think you just might be incorrect.

If you point is other than that, I am missing it.

You point out Challenger STR8 (not SRT10).......... do you think Chrysler has planned for an 84+% SRT8 buildout for the Challenger model year?!?


EDIT: And they never said they have already met the number of V8's than can be built in that letter... whether it is authentic or not... they simply said they can't sustain the PERCENTAGE OF BUILD.
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cafe doesnt go into effect for a few years. that should have nothing to do tih it. they plann on selling 80,000 to 100,000 and their saying they have already met the amount of v8 they plan on producing? im calling BS here.

CAFE has been in effect since the late 70s........
You are wrong.
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CAFE has been in effect since the late 70s........
You are wrong.
Thats why the challenger is charged a 'gas guzzler' tax, right? Thank you GM.
More 30+ mpg cars than any one....
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OK..once again - calm down.

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May I ask you to enlighten everyone on this board as to how CAFE is calculated and the effects it has on the 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 model years?

I wonder what GM might be planning for this Camaro regarding CAFE in the years beyond 2011.
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I wonder what GM might be planning for this Camaro regarding CAFE in the years beyond 2011.
I wonder this too. My 2SS will be built during one of those model years.
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.... and I'm sure that GM isn't employing 14-year-old girls in whatever department is responsible for dealer relations.
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For those dealer allocated a certian number of pre orders like the one I plan on going through was allocated 5. I'm #7 on the list. Will GM only be sending 5camaros to this dealership or will the allocation go up as numbers are met. Just wondering cause I want to be sitting behind the wheel of a Camaro.
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