Dan Baldwin

Again, that's not what I'm saying. I used those cars as an illustration that it is possible to build a new car to the same relative price/performance/market-segment targets as one from way back when (S13 240SX) and be at the SAME weight (no weight gain), without resorting to exotic/costly materials.

My POINT was that it shouldn't be a stretch for Chevy to build another 3400 lb. V8 Camaro without making it out of unobtanium.

The cars *are* (or should be) in the same "small 2-door coupe" segment, but obviously a V8 Camaro with 2x or more power will need a longer wheelbase to keep 55/45 or better weight distribution, and will necessarily be somewhat heavier.

I personally would rejoice, but for the 3rd time, that's not what I was saying.

I strongly disagree with the idea that cars should *only* ever get bigger.

Progress is doing more with less. Doing more wiht MORE MORE MORE is unsustainable and stupid.

But anyway, again, I'm fine with historical size/weight.

And if it were 3400 lb., it would be better, in every respect.

Aside from performance, the more massive the car, the less fun.

HEere's to a 3400 lb. (or less) future! I know, not gonna happen. The new one will end up at 3700 lb. and everyone will rejoice about how "lightweight" it is. Dang...

ImportedRoomate

I guess we'll see if they happen to crash it.
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jg95z28

GM themselves stuffed a V8 into the Pontiac Solstice, but then it never made production either.

Its quite possible that an FR-S/BRZ sized coupe cannot be built with a V8 without using unobtanium and still pass today's safety standards. The Corvette with its $50K+ price tag is considered a bargain by sportscar standards. Now some guys expect GM to build a 2+2 version and sell it for half the price. Be realistic.

Dan Baldwin

I didn't think anyone said the Camaro should be BRZ-sized...
For sure, the interior should be, but with a bigger heavier engine up front, the front wheels will need to be shoved further forward to keep weight distribution reasonable. That will add weight in addition to the heavier drivetrain.

What I suggested was that there's no GOOD reason that a modern V8 Camaro shouldn't weigh as little as a 3rd/4th gen, 3400 lb.


Anyway looks like progress is being made with the BRZ06:


I kind of worry about weight distribution, though. Stock BRZ is 55/45. It'll likely be 57/43 after the swap. Not conducive to putting 500hp down!

krj-1168

I agree the next gen Camaro should be in the 3400-3500 lbs range. If we look at the ATS on Alpha Platform (which the next gen Camaro will be based on) - then 3400-3500 lbs is perfectly doable. Since this is the weight range the 4 cyl and V6 ATS models already weigh.

The Camaro will also likely have the same Turbo 4 cylinder and 3.6L V6 as the ATS. I personally think the next gen Camaro V8 may weigh slightly more than 3500 lbs - but that okay since it's likely to be in the 425-450 hp range.

HuJass

No, the next gen Camaro is rumored to ride on the Alpha PLUS platform, along with the next gen CTS.
I bet it loses about 2-300 lbs.

jg95z28

The Alpha+ idea may be mostly internet rumor and conjecture.

According to our old pal Z284ever over at GMI, GM has a program code on the books with the designation of "A1BC" which in GM-speak translates to "Alpha platform 1st Generation Coupe Chevrolet." Which means the 6th gen Camaro could simply be on regular Alpha.

HuJass

And Z284ever could be referring to the platform that may underpin the Code 130R, if they decide to build it.

jg95z28

That's exactly what I suggested. However while the 2015 Camaro has been green-lit for production in Lansing, the Code 130R has not received a green-light.

99SilverSS

Will there be a ATS Coupe? Or did that get shelved?

I think the stretched CTS Alpha + rumors got some traction because the Camaro and CTS would probably share some of the same engines, transmissions and rear axles.

posaune

Cadillac ATS coupe is A1BL.

IZ28

How about a Z28 in the 6th Gen since it was sooooo impossible to put the name on two cars (ZL1 and 1LE) that it would have been fine on in the 5th Gen? How about that GM? Make sense?

I'm personally waiting for the Chevrolet Z28 to come out. No model name needed or anything. It can be the 2 door version of the borefest "SS" with the manual that everyone wants. The worst part is I'm concerned they might take that idea seriously and use it.

jg95z28

Interesting you say that because just this morning I was thinking, what if the 6th gen Camaro grill/nose incorporates the Chevrolet SS's styling?

It would be a way to tie in global styling on the Camaro.

(Just playing Devil's advocate... I'm really hoping for a refined version of the current design on Alpha.)

IZ28

Goodness, that would be horrible. Don't give them any more stupid ideas!

jg95z28

Here's another...

Two GM 2+2 coupes based off the Alpha platform. One an evolution of the current Chevy Camaro retro design (which of course would be called the Chevrolet Camaro); and a second with more modern styling and a bit more up content. The second would be sold by Buick and called Skylark.